Joe Calzaghe: Final Options For The Italian Dragon

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might aswell be classed as 11years. no one will know if they don't look it up. I can only remember it after seein it on Setanta news.

It was just under 11 years. See my edited post.

Dariusz Michalczewski defended it 23 times. I didn't realize it was quite as many as that.



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Alphabets belts are from over 30 years ago, so if you want to act like they are not significant than good luck on that, because i know the truth. Duran, Leonard and Hearns were known as legit champions when they had them, and now Dawson isn't because he doesn't have a ''ring'' belt( lol). Oh and the Tarver that fought Dawson was just a has been? Tarver just beat Woods( who was a top 5 light heavyweight at the time who beat a lot of top 10 light heavy's) and had two titles. Jones had not won a significant fight since the early 2000's. I can't see how the version that fought Hopkins was any better. Many people even believe he was weight drained from coming down in weight after making ''Rocky 5''. What did Joe do at light heavyweight to equal Harding, Johnson, Adamek and Tarver? Beat Hopkins and Jones? Adamek was in his prime, and he even went up to cruiser weight and won a title. Not to diss Joe or anything, but does he even have a young champion on his resume that is accomplished or Dawson or Adamek?

Please tell me you didn't compare the 4 kings titles to Chad Dawson's, who he won from Adamek and shot Tarver. That's beyond rediculous. I think you're just rambling off topic because you know deep down your argument is weak here. Don't put words in my mouth because I never said the alphabets are insignificant, what I said was they don't mean as much as the Ring title.

Tarver wasn't the same since after he bollooned up for the Rocky fight, you're right. He was still alot better fighter 2 years ago than he is now. It's like when Jones went up so far in weight he just gradually got worse and worse because his body was shot. Don't base your opinion on his fight with a washed up Clinton Woods who put up absolutely no resistence in that fight, a punch bag would have been more dangerous. A shot Roy Jones probably would have torn his ass up he was that bad.

I've already been through why Calzaghe should be (and more importantly is) ranked above Dawson so I'm not going down that road again. Either accept the truth or ignore it. It's 3.45am over here so this will probably be my last post.

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You're just embarrassing yourself now. Johnson is strong but he's not known as a big puncher. He had Dawson is trouble big time. The main thing here is Calzaghe wouldn't get tagged the amount of times Dawson did so your point is moot. . Adamek was having problems with weight and moved up instantly to CW, Johnson has been robbed a few times so his record is better than it suggests but he's still been beat SEVERAL times and many people think he beat Dawson. Tarver was washed up.

Hopkins first fight was at LHW, he's certainly no natural MW even though that's were he spent most of his career. Any knowledgable boxing fan will tell you that. He'd fought there for a couple of years prior to the Calzaghe fight while it was Calzaghe's first fight at the weight. You're bringing hating to a new level here.

Adamek was having trouble with weight? Why do i even bother? Give me a credible source that says he was weight drained when he fought Dawson and that effected his performance. This is why i don't like discussing this with people who don't watch the fights. If you would have looked back on that sho-time card, then you would have see that before the fight, Adamek stated to Karen Bryant( a female sho time interviewer) before the fight that he felt great condition wise and thought that his natural size advantage over Dawson would be a factor in how the fight played out. You can use that excuse( that his fans and random people made up) if you want to, but it shows what kind of a poster you are. Also, look at how fast Adamek started and how he came on strong non stop for the last two rounds. A weight drained body wouldn't have anywhere near the condition to do that.

Also which ''fights'' did Hopkins fight at light heavyweight. He made his pro debut at light heavy and that was only a mistake by his manager( which he stated himself on Smithy's boxing show...look it up). The fact is that he spent his career at middleweight and most of his accomplishments were there as well, and he didn't move to 175 until he found the right opponent that he knew he could beat. I admit hes a big middleweight, but hes no natural light heavyweight. I'd say super super middleweight at best. Despite all of this, Bernard was never known as the dramatic big punchers that Adamek and Tarver are. Johnson is not a huge puncher and i stated that, i simply said that he ''could ''punch''. You should see his fight with Ulrich and Jones. He has power and a lot of knockouts. Adamek knocked Ulrich out with one punch and if you seen his latest fight against Cunningham, then you will again see that he is strong. Also, watch Tarver when he was first coming onto the scene against Rocy Gannon or his fights with Jones, Santiago or the way he hurt and dropped a tough and always durable Griffin. Again watch these fights. These are not soft hitters.

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I am sure he was like 4 or 5 days away from holding it for 11years.

so many great title defenes against worthy challengers. he never should have let that wbo belt go.

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Don't base your opinion on his fight with a washed up Clinton Woods who put up absolutely no resistence in that fight, a punch bag would have been more dangerous. A shot Roy Jones probably would have torn his ass up he was that bad.

It's a shame about Woods. He never was an exceptional fighter, but he was solid enough. I gotta excuse his last performance though, he was stressed to **** because a close friend died right before the Tarver fight. No doubt it affected his performance. He would never normally be that bad. Be good to see him get his act together again, he's a good kid.

I have a friend who knows Clinton. He said Jones' power was shocking! He never been hit so hard, apparently.



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roy jones is a natural heavyweight cause he had one fight there. only reason calzaghe beat him was because roy was weight drained.

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There is a big difference in punchers that Calzaghe fought at 175 and the punchers that Dawson fought. Joe fought two former middleweight, Dawson fought natural light heavyweights with power like Adamek, Johnson and Tarver. If Joe was tagged the amount of times that Dawson was against Johnson, would he have not been hurt? Don't let anyone fool you, Johnson can punch.

Johnson is no more a natural LHW than Hopkins or Calzaghe, he fought the majority of his career at SMW same as Joe has.

Johnson moved up to LHW in his 30's after 4 losses at SMW in 5 fights.

Tarver has never KO'd a decent fighter at LHW, he got a TKO against the same washed up RJJ Calzaghe beat, but he couldn't stop reggie or Glen johnson, lost to Hopkins by 8 rounds couldn't put away a mediocre Griffin that both RJJ and G Johnson put away.

your opinions are looking pretty bunk there buddy.

Oh and as far as Dawson being better than Hopkins, well in not one for triangular theory's but Hopkins beat Tarver worse than Dawson did, two years before.

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It's a shame about Woods. He never was an exceptional fighter, but he was solid enough. I gotta excuse his last performance though, he was stressed to **** because a close friend died right before the Tarver fight. No doubt it affected his performance. He would never normally be that bad. Be good to see him get his act together again, he's a good kid.

seriously are you an excuse merchant?

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seriously are you an excuse merchant?

No, I'm a human being.

You're turning some quality posts out today, Dagmar.



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Please tell me you didn't compare the 4 kings titles to Chad Dawson's, who he won from Adamek and shot Tarver. That's beyond rediculous. I think you're just rambling off topic because you know deep down your argument is weak here. Don't put words in my mouth because I never said the alphabets are insignificant, what I said was they don't mean as much as the Ring title.

Tarver wasn't the same since after he bollooned up for the Rocky fight, you're right. He was still alot better fighter 2 years ago than he is now. It's like when Jones went up so far in weight he just gradually got worse and worse because his body was shot. Don't base your opinion on his fight with a washed up Clinton Woods who put up absolutely no resistence in that fight, a punch bag would have been more dangerous. A shot Roy Jones probably would have torn his ass up he was that bad.

I've already been through why Calzaghe should be (and more importantly is) ranked above Dawson so I'm not going down that road again. Either accept the truth or ignore it. It's 3.45am over here so this will probably be my last post.

Adamek and Tarver are good light heavyweights and legit champions, and if you would have studied their career( the way i have) then it can easily be seen. They were both top 5 light heavyweights when Dawson beat them and the only fighter at 175 to beat Adamek was Dawson. Its also funny how you say i am ignoring things because i have a weak argument when you have to bring up laughable excuses like Adamek being weight drained( which he stated himself he wasn't) and Tarver being a has been( even though he had two titles and was ranked top 3 by your ''ring magazine'' at the time. You also said that Hopkins fought many fights at 175, which is also not true. You are batting 1000, keep up the good work.