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Roy is only shot when he loses to fighters, or the weight excuse is used when he lost to tarver and glen johnson... I hate ppl on this forum. -
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No, but buster douglass did in my opinion. And who the **** is buster douglass? Some guy everyone gives tyson excuses against saying that douglass fought an amazing fight only one fight out of his career because of the adrenaline from his mom passing away... Oh, okay...Comment
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Some were using absurd excuses, and others were using reasons based on inside information that was coming out at the time. It's not like people didn't know some things that were going on in Tyson's life at the times; it's just that they didn't know everything and they didn't think the wheels would come off against Douglas.
If a fighter of Tyson's caliber loses, they want to know why. It's not as simple as saying "Fighter A" beat "Fighter B" because he was better. You always do an investigation as to what happened. Historians do this when they are investigating history and have to write a book about what transpired.
Tyson didn't use an excuse because he blamed himself for everything he did, so to him, there was no excuse to be used. He knew the reasons, which is why he wanted the rematch. If he thought he was beat on his best night it's hard to say Tyson would want a rematch. If we judge it by Tyson's actions in and outside the ring, when Tyson doesn't have an answer, he gets confused and flustered. But in this case, he had an answer: he didn't prepare properly. Even after he beat Bruno, he was mentioning how he wasn't training like he wanted and wanted to be more active. He even said: "This wasn't any Tyson of vintage." So what did he mean by that?
Tyson may be ****ed up in many ways, but he isn't ******.
And he arguably knows his history of boxing more than anyone, but for some reason, he chooses to reenact the negative actions fighters of the past did. Tyson actually talked about this in a later interview before the Williams fight. You can go through the many interviews that may be still up on youtube to look for it if you like. I kind of forget the exact words he used.
Glancy mentioned he thought it was the result of how Tyson lived for the past year. I've heard it mentioned before; I think even on these boards, that a fighter is only as good as his last training session(s). According to an article/interview I read, it said even before Tyson arrived in Japan, Tyson was having trouble in sparring and his sparring partners didn't know why. I think it was actually Berbick who was talking about it; he may have been one of Tyson's sparring partners at the time leading up to Douglas. Not quite positive. It was a while back.
The importance in finding out as much as possible as to "why" things happen is to try to help others from making the same mistakes and keep what works.
The funny, but messed up part of this all is that Tyson would later say he knew what to do and what not to do, he just basically followed suit. I guess in a way, he is very self-destructive mixed with over-confidence when he is around certain people. It's hard to say. Tyson did say D'Amato had told him that he {Mike} was the type of person to have to go through it to understand it...or something like that.
Think of it this way: Why do fighters watch other fighters fight? Why do they break down tapes? What are they looking for?
And when the practice their "craft," what is the objective?
For Douglas: Well, even Atlas seems to think the Mother thing was a big help. You have to remember that a key part of boxing, let alone life, is what? MOTIVATION. It's a Mind-set you need to be in to succeed. Those that fail are unprepared. They don't believe in themselves. They are confused and don't have ONE answer to move forward; they are stuck and are prey.
Like Atlas said: Look at what happened to Douglas after he beat Tyson; look at what happened to him after he achieved what he set out to do.
The proof was that Douglas went back to his old self and came in unmotivated and out of shape for Evander.
The Mother thing did seem to be big, however, Douglas was at the top of his game for about 6 fights leading up to Tyson. Some people forget that he beat Olive McCall and Trevor Berbick leading up to that fight. His own trainer said that Douglas had finally taken his career seriously after he lost to Tucker. Even with Douglas, it can be said he didn't love the sport of boxing until basketball was completely out of his system. When basketball was gone, all he had left was boxing.
And for Douglas, according to him, his Mother came to him worried that he was going to lose against Tyson. Douglas said he wouldn't not only not lose, but he would beat Mike Tyson. This supposedly boosted Douglas's mother's confidence and it return, boosted his own.
That's actually another key point to help succeed in life; at least for many people: It helps to be self-confident, but it's an even more positive boost if somebody else believes in you as well. You are set to prove what you can do.
It would have been good to have seen the rematch but as we know, Buster decided to go with Evander instead of Tyson.
Maybe an example of this may be the fights between Lennox Lewis and Rahman. What happened in the first fight and how did Lewis fight that fight compared to the second?
Tyson's story is talked about a lot because, well, it's Mike Tyson. He is still somewhat fresh in our minds, but history is full of fighters stories similar to these. It's just that more books seemed to be have written about Tyson than the others...except for maybe Ali. Film docs. are a big help as well.
Read up on Napoleon....you will find a ton of stories that try to detail his entire life and what was going on at Waterloo. And if you have already, then you should know better.Last edited by Benny Leonard; 12-26-2008, 10:36 AM.Comment
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