No Froch For Kessler. Froch-taylor next.

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  • medium-deek
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    #11
    Originally posted by nathan_nall
    Why does your difference in oppinion have to naturally conclude that I don't have a clue? Taylor doesn't have to be the fastest hands in the west. He only needs to be faster than Froch, which he is. No matter who the fighters are... handspeed will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be a factor in ANY fight.
    You dont have a clue, though. You talk about being impressed with the Froch/Pascal fight but then say Taylor is a different kettle of fish because of his handspeed; yet any idiot will tell you this taylor guy is not known for his blistering handspeed. Anyone who talks about Taylor will never mention handspeed as one of his primary tools. So why bring the issue of handspeed up if he aint as fast as Pascal? And Taylor punches harder? Where is the proof?

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    • nathan_nall
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      #12
      Originally posted by medium-deek
      You dont have a clue, though. You talk about being impressed with the Froch/Pascal fight but then say Taylor is a different kettle of fish because of his handspeed; yet any idiot will tell you this taylor guy is not known for his blistering handspeed. Anyone who talks about Taylor will never mention handspeed as one of his primary tools. So why bring the issue of handspeed up if he aint as fast as Pascal? And Taylor punches harder? Where is the proof?
      When I wrote for Ringside Report, we'd have round table discussions. Handspeed was considered a key factor in both wins over Hopkins. Considered a factor by people who write boxing articles for a living, not just in their spare time. Ultimately it comes down to a difference in opinion, which can never proven fact or fiction, because of their nature as opinions. I don't discredit you for thinking he isn't fast, or for being British and most likely having very bad teeth. So why not just state your view and leave it at that? I'd tell you the experience I've had in the ring, in the corner, and in the gym... and you'd most likely state your personal experience. However, there's no way we could verify each other's stories. So why not just state it as your opinion, and leave it at that?

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      • Bushbaby
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        #13
        If hbo dosnt want it,count on showtime!Home of the fight of the year!

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        • medium-deek
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          #14
          Originally posted by nathan_nall
          When I wrote for Ringside Report, we'd have round table discussions. Handspeed was considered a key factor in both wins over Hopkins. Considered a factor by people who write boxing articles for a living, not just in their spare time. Ultimately it comes down to a difference in opinion, which can never proven fact or fiction, because of their nature as opinions. I don't discredit you for thinking he isn't fast, or for being British and most likely having very bad teeth. So why not just state your view and leave it at that? I'd tell you the experience I've had in the ring, in the corner, and in the gym... and you'd most likely state your personal experience. However, there's no way we could verify each other's stories. So why not just state it as your opinion, and leave it at that?
          Look numb nuts. Writing for an online site does not make you an expert. Go look up articles by Michael Lieberman at boxing news24. com to see that so called "expert" at work. Lets go back to what you said. You said after viewing the Froch fight that Taylor would be a different kettle of fish because of his better handspeed. Now if after (apparently) being in the corner and inside the ring; you still think Taylor has faster hands then Pascal, then you really are ******.

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          • Welter_Skelter
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            #15
            Originally posted by truthseeker1
            Although Froch has plent of heart and determination, based on what I saw in the Pascal fight, I think both Taylor and Kessler would outclass him.
            And that's your WHOLE problem.. You are basing your Opinion on ONE fight..

            Too many people do that on here.. or even make an opinion based on the Press without EVEN seeing the fight..

            Why don't you do some research...

            I am not saying I disagree with you.. I am positive Kessler would cream Froch.. But Taylor would have much less a chance..

            And I make that assumption on the fact I have seen.. 12 Froch fights, 9 Taylor fights and 4 Kessler fights

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              #16
              Originally posted by nathan_nall
              When I wrote for Ringside Report, we'd have round table discussions. Handspeed was considered a key factor in both wins over Hopkins. Considered a factor by people who write boxing articles for a living, not just in their spare time. Ultimately it comes down to a difference in opinion, which can never proven fact or fiction, because of their nature as opinions. I don't discredit you for thinking he isn't fast, or for being British and most likely having very bad teeth. So why not just state your view and leave it at that? I'd tell you the experience I've had in the ring, in the corner, and in the gym... and you'd most likely state your personal experience. However, there's no way we could verify each other's stories. So why not just state it as your opinion, and leave it at that?
              From what I've seen off Taylor and froch Taylor has much the better handspeed and he's more skilled as a boxer. That means we agree.

              P.S. not all us brits have bad teeth man.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
                And that's your WHOLE problem.. You are basing your Opinion on ONE fight..

                Too many people do that on here.. or even make an opinion based on the Press without EVEN seeing the fight..

                Why don't you do some research...

                I am not saying I disagree with you.. I am positive Kessler would cream Froch.. But Taylor would have much less a chance..

                And I make that assumption on the fact I have seen.. 12 Froch fights, 9 Taylor fights and 4 Kessler fights
                Hey man. That's cool. I understand it's inappropriate to make a judgement based on one fight. But that's why it's an opinion, open for debate and discusion
                Why didn't I do some research? I've got exams to revise for man. I use this forum as a place to chill. Somewhere I can air my opinions comfortably. So chill man.

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                • hookoutofhell
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                  #18
                  kess imo would beat both of them. thts pretty much a given here.

                  imo taylor has a very good chance to get the W against froch. iv seen a a few froch fights and the guy is a handful for any SMW, he throws punches from stange angles, is very heavy handed, has good power, an awesome chin and his jab and range is better than you might expect as well. however as shown by pascal, when he comes across someone with a sturdy chin he looks a little amateur and sloppy. he throws strange punches yes from awkward angles yes but because of that he cant group his shots together as well. he is too often looking for the one punch KO win.

                  taylor is more orthodox, hes not exactly a big hitter (not even at MW) but he has decent power and snap, he has good handspeed (imo quicker than pascal) but he is more willing and able to use it it as well. its his chin that has to come under examination when matching him up against froch though.

                  with froch's style and unorthodoxness you just know that over 12 rnds he will tag his opponent at least once. it might only be a glancing blow it might be flush but his unpredictablity means that punches may come from where you least expect them and thats the punch that hurts the most.

                  taylor has been KO'ed before, also by a punch that he didnt see coming but imo his chin is still strong. hes been in the ring with big hitters before and not been down, in fact it think im right in saying the fight with pavlik was the only time he has been down. but froch is a big puncher in the SMW stakes, maybe even the biggest. but with his undoubted strength comes a lack of quickness, even while watching the fight it seemed obvious that alot of his punches were slow and sometimes even telegraphed.

                  imo taylor has the ability to get the UD over froch, as long as he fights the right fight and doesn't get involved in a tear up.

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                  • The Hammer
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                    #19
                    The best fight that can be made at 168 is Taylor vs. Kessler.

                    I hope HBO has the wisdom to make this fight happen!

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by askoe
                      Promoter Mick Hennessy says that Lou Dibella has called him, and Jermain Taylor is ready for Froch. Hennessy didn't think Taylor/DiBella wanted the fight which is why he had earlier approached Mogens Palle about a possible fight against Kessler.

                      This all leaves Kessler in a bit of a limbo....none of the big SMW-names is interested at this moment. Hopefully Kessler fights the winner later this year.

                      My prediction: Taylor by late TKO or Froch by controversal split hometurf decision.
                      If Taylor fights Froch (on showtime) look for Kessler to make his volontary defense against Mads Larsen in an all-danish clash and then Kessler has a savage (lol) mandatory coming up against the feared Gusmyl Perdomo (who?).

                      Damned.

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