Gladiators or fools? Why is it so hard for boxers to hang it up?

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  • extracurRICular
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    Gladiators or fools? Why is it so hard for boxers to hang it up?

    Stephen A Smith is a ****....but in this ESPN article he actually makes some sense....





    Help, someone! Pretty Please!

    It would be really nice if someone could muster some plausible explanation as to why a fighter like Oscar De La Hoya, beyond his prime for quite a while before the Manny Pacquiao bout, still chose to step into the ring and get his brains beat out. The mismatch was so obvious that Oscar's wife, Millie, was screaming for him to quit before he had the common sense to do it himself.

    I mean, come on, people! The sadness is undeniable, especially when we finally thought we'd found a boxer with some sound judgment—one who took his career earnings, an estimated $500 million, and invested it in himself (in the form of Golden Boy Promotions) instead of questionable business ventures, strip clubs or a slick-talking promoter. Instead, De La Hoya managed to shred any hope of ushering in that new breed of fighter by carrying his aging bones inside the ring and getting beat down, both physically and mentally. Although too battered to press on, he still had the hops to spring off his stool and go embrace his opponent the moment the ref called the fight—this before confessing to Freddie Roach, his former trainer now in Pacquiao's corner, "You're right, Freddie. I don't have it anymore."

    DE LA HOYA SHOULD'VE KNOWN BETTER

    The thing is, Oscar ignored his own advice. This is what he told The Sacramento Bee in 1997: "In a few years, maybe two or three, I'm going to get tired of boxing. I've been around boxing for many years, and hopefully I will not try and come back once I retire. Look at Sugar Ray Leonard. It was sad watching him try to fight Hector Camacho. I couldn't watch it." True, De La Hoya hadn't yet "retired" before the Pacquiao bout, but you get my point.

    All this makes me think the Golden Boy is no different from Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson or Muhammad Ali. "Actually, Joe was more prepared for this than Oscar," boxing historian Bert Sugar told me after De La Hoya's defeat. "Joe wanted to walk away. Remember, the only reason he had his neck pinned to the ropes against Rocky Marciano back in 1951 was because the IRS relentlessly pursued him for taxes it said he owed—money from previous fights, some of which he had donated to charity on behalf of the Army and Navy, mind you.

    "Sugar Ray Robinson was tragic in his own way, and so was Ali. But, hey, fighters just can't help it. Sugar Ray Leonard once told me the fame, the cheers, is what keeps you around. It's hard for guys to let go of that gladiator moment, that entrance to the ring. Money is always a factor, but the adulation is just as—if not more—significant to these guys. Always has been. Oscar proved it still is. What a shame!"

    Ya damn skippy!

    After the Pacquiao bout, more than a few De La Hoya fans leaving Vegas and heading back to LA swore they were going to remove the 14-foot-tall bronze statue of the Golden Boy that had been placed in front of the Staples Center just days earlier. "He let us down!" one enraged Hispanic fan yelled at me. "We don't quit, man. We never quit!" Well, actually, isn't that part of the problem when it comes to fighters?

    Evander Holyfield, 46-and-done, told Bert Sugar he's still fighting because God spoke to him and told him to unify the heavyweight crown. No one knows why 39-year-old Roy Jones Jr. hasn't quit yet. (He did suffer two vicious knockouts—at the hands of Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson—a few years back, so we'll assume he hasn't quite figured it out either.) Bernard Hopkins, who's 43, promised his mother for years that he would retire at 40, but now that she's passed away, it's a promise he hasn't kept. And get this: Tommy "Hit Man" Hearns, 50 years young, shadowboxes all the time, believing he's still better than today's fighters! As recently as two years ago, he wanted to fight Jones Jr. "It's hard to let go, especially when it's all you know," Hearns told me. "I never quit. I was a bad man. You've got to give me that!"

    Absolutely, except that today his speech is slurred, and as you talk to Hearns, you can't help but wonder, what on earth was De La Hoya thinking? I'm not talking about quitting against Pacquiao; I'm talking about why he decided to fight him in the first place. He was supposed to be one of the few boxers who knew better. So much for that.



    Any thoughts????
  • Benny Leonard
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    Ask some of the Fans that expect a Fighter to keep fighting injured and Past his prime.


    I do wonder what happens to a fighter after he loses his first fight; especially an "Elite" fighter.
    It's as if that loss will have them go on a journey of redemption that involves trying to make up for that loss and hide it, but in doing so, they don't care to risk embarrassment any longer. So, 1 loss can turn into 2...and when you are at 2, no worries if 3 come along. If you have 3, well, that's bad so you at least can whore yourself out for more money since you aren't getting your reputation back...but maybe, just maybe, you can...while getting paid. So, you take big risks and keep taking those risks until you are dragged out which shouldn't be hard since you now have Parkinsons.

    I think boxing is like a drug: the longer you stay on it, the longer you want it and in the end; it ruins you. You feel you can control it but you really can't. And wants you are a junky; it’s all good ')

    Boxing will always take something out of you but it is up to you to try to control how much it takes out of you. Get out while you still have your wits; get out in your prime after you made enough money.

    Life is more than just Boxing.

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    • Benny Leonard
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      Joe wanted to walk away. Remember, the only reason he had his neck pinned to the ropes against Rocky Marciano back in 1951 was because the IRS relentlessly pursued him for taxes it said he owed—money from previous fights, some of which he had donated to charity on behalf of the Army and Navy, mind you.
      Yup, very true.

      Benny Leonard also retired relatively young but had to come back because he lost money.

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      • Brute Allmighty
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        For the greats I think It's pride. Stop and think the atg's where untouchable in there prime for the most part. Roy Jone's couldn't be touched. Then all of the sudden he starts getting caught. I'm sure after years of domination it has to be hard to stop and think to ones self and admit I just don't have it any more. IMO thats why Floyd has done what he's done. So no one can ever have that doubt him. If he stays retired (and for money reasons lets face it he's set and as long as he don't get ****** theres no need for him to come back)so if he stays retired and doesn't fight untill he can't (ehemm cough Holyfield) no one will ever be able to say well in his prime he could've took that guy. And he will never know defeat. Which when you get back down to it is a pride thing.

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          Because they need the money, because they can't do anything else.. or both!

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          • Dan...
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            Either they need the money or they just can't accept its over and that they need to turn the lights off.

            See Evander Holyfield and Roy Jones for respective examples of these two effects.

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            • MissDeeCole
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              #7
              Screamin A knows nothing about boxing

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