Manny will beat Mayweather (The case for Manny)

[BlackHat]

Dont you question.. where the fanboyism comes from?
Why the floyd fans are so childishly biased...
He made all his 39 opponents look so easy.. its like all of them werent worthy because they couldnt seem to test him..

Dont you wonder that maybe.. like maybe.. floyd made them look like weak fools..

Floyd mayweather has flaws? roach? what about manny?

you ve seen mayweather imploy numerous strategies and types of ways to approach his fight and even to switch up during the fight..
This argument is based on viewing of his fights..

His so called flaws are based on weaknesses shown in previous fights.(mayweather castillio 1)to be exact. which show a distorted view of his current abbility.

floyd mayweather wont just outtrain him, he will destroy him. Manny cant catch up abbility wise, cant techniquely and certainly doesnt have the intelligence and smarts of a pretty boy.

WWE die hard fan.

[larryx]

[sourcasm]
Wow...Judah doesn't gas out anymore OMG THATS AMAZING!!!111

[sourcasm]

I don't care whether or not people gas out when they miss punches, the fact is that the opponents Mayweather beat naturally gas out...Manny doesnt.

Its NATURAL. Oscar gassed out against Mosley and Mosley aint as slick as Floyd. Oscar gassed out against virtually all of his opponents and Mayweather was one of them...no they're not excuses they're arguments.

Judah ALWAYS gasses out, hit or miss period.

Baldomir and Gatti had no talent at that stage of their careers.

jmm kicked pacmans ass twice..knock a man down 3 times in round 1 and get a draw=ass beating..get a knockdown in the secod fight and win a disputed sd=ljmm outboxed him..then he beats david ******** diaz then a shot oscar..now hes god????the disrespect for floyd is sickening...pacman has numourous flaws and the last pure boxer he faced showed them..floyd has never never been picked apart

[BlackHat]

jmm kicked pacmans ass twice..knock a man down 3 times in round 1 and get a draw=ass beating..get a knockdown in the secod fight and win a disputed sd=ljmm outboxed him..then he beats david ******** diaz then a shot oscar..now hes god????the disrespect for floyd is sickening...pacman has numourous flaws and the last pure boxer he faced showed them..floyd has never never been picked apart

Larryx I didn't saw a disrespect for your boy floyd, All I can see was an argument that Pac can beat Floyd, was that disrespectful?

[Sandro17]

jmm kicked pacmans ass twice..knock a man down 3 times in round 1 and get a draw=ass beating..get a knockdown in the secod fight and win a disputed sd=ljmm outboxed him..then he beats david ******** diaz then a shot oscar..now hes god????the disrespect for floyd is sickening...pacman has numourous flaws and the last pure boxer he faced showed them..floyd has never never been picked apart

Jmm got a draw against a pre-prime pac and lost to a DOUBLE WEIGHTDRAINED Pac.

the key word is DOUBLE... look at his pic under "feedback" Pac looks like a freaking skull.

Floyd beats fighters who aren't on his level or fighters that gas out giving Floyd a good 6 or 7 easy rounds.

Floyd SD's a guy who can't win over 6 rounds against a grade A fighter.

He goes on to fight Hatton (not at Pac's level)

but before that he fought 2 guys who were B class fighters (Baldomir and Gatti)

Also note that Gatti had the disadvantage of having Buddy Mcgirt as a trainer.

[larryx]

Jmm got a draw against a pre-prime pac and lost to a DOUBLE WEIGHTDRAINED Pac.

the key word is DOUBLE... look at his pic under "feedback" Pac looks like a freaking skull.

Floyd beats fighters who aren't on his level or fighters that gas out giving Floyd a good 6 or 7 easy rounds.

Floyd SD's a guy who can't win over 6 rounds against a grade A fighter.

He goes on to fight Hatton (not at Pac's level)

but before that he fought 2 guys who were B class fighters (Baldomir and Gatti)

Also note that Gatti had the disadvantage of having Buddy Mcgirt as a trainer.

doubleweight drained???ok im done talking to your biased ass

[larryx]

Larryx I didn't saw a disrespect for your boy floyd, All I can see was an argument that Pac can beat Floyd, was that disrespectful?

have you been on the boards lately..anytime people try and say jmm beats floyd..thats just low

[tito yuca]

Pacman can't beat JMM but he would beat Floyd? This isn't even worth discussing.

[Sandro17]

have you been on the boards lately..anytime people try and say jmm beats floyd..thats just low

Yeah double...

Manny is naturally 140 pounds. He had a tough time making weight at 135 and looked like a skull at 130.

Therefor double.

Look I'd like to see FLOYD drop down to 130 and fight JMM.

I don't care how good you are. If you win against a top notch fighter wherein you have to fight 10 pounds below your natural weightclass you're great.

I'm not saying JMM would win. But you have to accept the fact that Pac was A SKULL IN THAT FIGHT.

Again look at feedback.

it seems to me that you're the biased one here. You can't accept the fact that Pac was 2 weight classes below his natural weight. You can't accept the fact that Floyds opponents jjust gas ouut..

And when you finally pull out your JMM card and I giive you a good answer that pac was fighting 2 weightclasses below his best weight you quit the argument...

I WIN

So now that I PWNED a Floyd Nuthugger can i have more Karma?

[Da Hammer]

[QUOTE=Sandro17;4465755]Against Hatton Mayweather almost went down to a hatton left hand (was a jab) too bad Hatton isn't much of a jabber.

Against De La Hoya - Mayweather's bane was Oscars left jab. Good lord during round 7 I thought Oscar had the fight won because Oscar seemed to have found a way to get to Mayweather... Too bad Oscar stopped Jabbing.

Baldomir and Gatti didn't have the skills to beat Mayweather...they were both mismatches.



Against Judah...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeURoJXiOdY

Zab won the first 4 rounds due to his left hand and right hook. If you watch the highlight above, you'll see that Zab had the upper hand against mayweather whenever he threw the left hand. After 4 rounds Zab stopped throwing his punches and stood there like a punching bag.

Anyone here see the pattern?

Mayweather has always had trouble with his opponents left hands (assuming they are fast). Whenever his opponents would use the left hand effectively, and seem to be pulling ahead in the fight they gassed out and stopped using it.

In Pac's last fight, he showed just how potent his left hand was. Sure Oscar was slow when dealing with it but thats not the point. The point is that Manny has a tremendously good left hand. Whats more is that Manny just doesn't gas out.

He actually steps on the accelerator in the late rounds even when hurt (Marquez - Pacquiao 2...round 9)

I pick Manny to win simply because of how great his left hand is along with the fact that manny has a great right hook which will allow him to catch mayweather coming in (Like in Judah - Mayweather)

Whats more, Manny is a southpaw magnifying the effects of him being able to land with the left hand.

Now I know that Mayweather has a great right hand too, and that Manny's southpaw style will also magnify Mayweather's right hand, but when was the last time manny really had a hard time with his opponents right hand?

So I think Mann won't win by KO but by decision due to many left hands to the body in the center of the ring, a couple of good right hooks that catch Floyd, and relentless pressure applied while Floyd is against the ropes.

The only way Floyd wins is by pot shotting Pac in the center of the ring. But I doubt that that is going to happen much because manny has speed (unlike Gatti and Baldomir but much like Judah) He has head movement (Unlike Hatton so no more check left hooks and easy right hands for Floyd) And Manny also throws while coming in (Unlike Oscar...Oscar pushed Floyd back only when he trew when coming in).

And oh I forgot. Manny won't gas out.

Manny is everything Floyds past opponents were'nt. He has the potential to combine all of Floyd's past opponents against Floyd and beat him. Manny has EVERYTHING even the height advantage (He's smaller benefitting on the inside he's small) and he even has the troublesome southpaw stance like Judah.



-Great left hand + Southpaw Stance = troubled Mayweather
-Great head movement + throwing while coming in = Retreating mayweather
-Great Pressure against the ropes and being small = Defensive Mayweather
-Great Stamina = Winning pattern to continue throught the fight for Manny.

Thats basically it. What do you guys think?

Edit: Karma would be greatly appreciated

hatton never wobbled or staggered floyd..that punch didnt even land..pacman got ko'd 2 times,and wobbled by jmm...stop acting like beating a weight drained part time fighter makes pacman better than floyd..floyd would break pacman down and ko him[/QUOTE]
Both those KO's were real early in Pac's career when he basically had to starve himself to make weight. thats the only reason he was KO'd. and JMM landed some great shots on Pac and still wasnt able to knockhim down. Pacquaio has a great chin he can take whatever is thrown at him. and for all the talk of Pacquiao's offense, what has most impressed me has been Pac's defense. He is no longer the mini-tyson version. he has improved his defense so much, his footwork is as good as ive seen from any fighter in a long time. His head movement is outstanding as well. He's getting near impossible to time because of that combination as well as the fact that the fighters have to worry about Pac's unorthadox punches coming from all angles. theres no ****in way that Floyd KO's Pac. mayweather's fans really need to get off his nuts if he wins it will be by decision with precise punching/counter punching.(no offense bro i like u no **** lol). i think Pacquiao wins because he will force mayweather to fight him and thats not something that floyd is completely comfortable with. not saying he cant do it but thats playing into pacquiao's game!

[Sandro17]

Pacman can't beat JMM but he would beat Floyd? This isn't even worth discussing.

This is coming from a guy who has ZERO good karma points lol.