Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the only fighter in history to have no flaws.

[Fox McCloud]

LOL....
I have post longer post then this in my sleep...lol
but welcome to the club

Haha, what's up Horus?

By the way... Floyd fans... this man does it right. I don't care that Horus says some **** that I would sooner die than try to defend, but... he puts a ton of tought into his posts, and backs up almost everything he says with solid facts and examples.

It's not so much that some of the Floyd fans make ridiculous claims that gets me... it's that they do it with literally 0 warrants behind it, and act like it's the word of god.

Horus is clearly the man when it comes to Floyd fans.

[Horus]

Haha, what's up Horus?

By the way... Floyd fans... this man does it right. I don't care that Horus says some **** that I would sooner die than try to defend, but... he puts a ton of tought into his posts, and backs up almost everything he says with solid facts and examples.

It's not so much that some of the Floyd fans make ridiculous claims that gets me... it's that they do it with literally 0 warrants behind it, and act like it's the word of god.

Horus is clearly the man when it comes to Floyd fans.

Hey Wiens you think Wright is going to beat Williams?
In a strange way I have a stranger feeling my guy Wright is going exposed alot of williams flaws.... But it is funny because I think Williams still should win...

Thats why I will not bet on this fight because Wright is the perfect fighter if their ever was one to expose Williams weakness for the right hand and the jab. but then again Wright is not mobile enough to keep Williams off of him...


this fight is so crazy.

[boxingsmash69]

floyd mayweather jr. will never reach a passed prime stage. even @ 48.

[Burner]

I'm not sure prime Wright has the style to beat Williams... if anything, I think Wright's style would always suck it against the style of Williams. If Wright beat Paul at any time, I think it would show that Wright is just a really, really good fighter, because his style has always shown trouble against volume punchers. That, or I'm just completely wrong in my assessment of the style interaction.

I also think that Mayweather would rip Williams apart with his counterpunching. Say what you want about Quintana I being an off night... even on a good night, Mayweather is better than Quintana by miles, and he would be quicker and more accurate nailing Williams after he threw.

By the way... you finished that chain at the right time, because no one beats prime Roy.

For being a perfect fighting machine, Mayweather lost a lot of rounds against Castillo in the first fight... Perfection doesn't have off nights or lose rounds against lesser fighters (and how can any fighter be anything less than a lesser fighter... he's perfect for ****'s sake?)

The perfection of Mayweather got caught with jab after jab from an old ass Oscar De La Hoya in a fight that I scored 8-4 for Mayweather (pretty sure that shows I'm not hating... only Kellerman scored it wider than I did).

I don't even know why people think I hate Mayweather... I've been quick to say that I don't think he retired because he is scared of anyone... I think there is something actually wrong with his body or something, because there is literally 0 reason to walk away from an Oscar De La Hoya rematch... nothing would make him more money.

I also have been quick to defend Floyd's resume at 130 and 135, and even 140, I don't put up with **** about Floyd ducking Casamayor, Freitas, Lazcano, Tszyu or Hatton... that's all complete bull****... after that, I have trouble talking about Floyd fighting for greatness, because it seems pretty evident that he was fighting for the most money he could make... which is fine, I have no problems with it... I just think that if you fight for money first, your legacy is inevitably going to suffer, because you aren't fighting for legacy first.

And it is 100% true... these kind of threads to swarm up the Floyd haters (the true idiots who talk about Mayweather ducking all of these fighters: Freitas, Lazcano, Casamayor, Spadafora, Hatton, Tszyu, etc.), because they think that threads like these are so utterly ****** (they really are... humans by definition **** up, and Floyd is human... that means he ****s up and is not perfect) that they have to make really ****** threads and posts to counter this kind of ****.

These crybaby threads that Larryx has been making lately are ridiculous. I was a big fan of larry when he showed up on these forums for the first time, because he had his head on his shoulders right, and said some really smart ****. Now he's a paranoid Floydboy who constantly brings up Mayweather questioning why people talk **** on him, when no one has said anything about that subject in relation to Mayweather for months... When is the last time someone called out Mayweather for crying after the Gatti or Baldomir fight (excluding my post about it after the thread had already been made)?

If you all would just defend your guy when the idiots come out and say ****** **** (especially if you just make fun of the idiots for being... well idiots), good posters (I'll put myself in this category) like me wouldn't have to say this kind of **** to balance it all out. The ridiculousness of these threads is just too much for me sometimes.

In your ****ing face DLT... I just took your world record for the longest post ever.

Ill respond to each paragraph...

1. Im damn sure that a prime Winky with legs...beats Paul 10 times out of ten...the jab..the movement..the defense..the counter punching..the angles..the size..bad night for Williams.

2. Yes Mayweather is better then Q...But Floyd isnt a slick southpaw....whose Paul always had troubles with..even when Sharmba was hitting him clean...Mayweather would be game as hell...but wstylistically when you look at Paul..it was as if he was made to beat a guy like Mayweather...PAUL could win on punch output alone Calzaghe style if need be.....Floyd would be on the defensive the whole fight..an 82 inch jab in your face all fight...at 6-3...its just not a fair fight IMO...now all things equal in a P4P sense..Paul gets stopped.

3. I started to say that a prime....Bernard Hopkins would beat Roy...Im not sure yet though..but as of rite now..he was untouchable..but Hops was green when they fought.

4. Against Castillo in the first fight he had a INJURE ROTATOR CUFF which limited him..and he won a close fight with ONE ARM..talk about greatness...then he rematched him ASAP and beat him again to further prove his point.***Like a true champion does)))

5. Mayweather.....is a little 140 pounder..hes a small WW and hes a VERY small 154 pounder...it took some getting used to Oscars jabbed...after he started timeing and coming over the top..Oscar like a good boy stopped throwing..hey heres some trivia how many of those signature left hooks landed on Floyd??.....ZERO...He beat Oscar at a weight class he had no business at with small gloves***ODH wanted his hands at risk)))...and with a small ring***ODH didnt want May to use movement))))...and he PWNED Oscar.

6. Mayweather even said it himself hes physically tired and has back pain, etc...the guy was addicted to training and maybe oer trained himself and neede a break...but no one was buying that ODH rematch..not even me.

7. When your past 30 with bad hands...you fight for the money....Mayweathers legacy was sealed long before he weighed 147 pounds on a scale..people really forget that out of 39 fights I belive only 7 was above 135 pounds.

8. Mayweather is undefeated with bad hands....its not a flaw..he floored Hatton..Corralles..and countless others he just doesnt swing as hard as wants to any more.

9. Yes Larryx is seriously scary...thats borderline physco shyt.

There u go kind sir.

[Fox McCloud]

Hey Wiens you think Wright is going to beat Williams?
In a strange way I have a stranger feeling my guy Wright is going exposed alot of williams flaws.... But it is funny because I think Williams still should win...

Thats why I will not bet on this fight because Wright is the perfect fighter if their ever was one to expose Williams weakness for the right hand and the jab. but then again Wright is not mobile enough to keep Williams off of him...


this fight is so crazy.

This fight actually makes me really sad to think about... because my prediction is a 9-3 or 8-4 Williams decision win... and if it's 8-4, it won't be a close 8-4... it'll be an obviousy Williams win.

Here is why:
1. Ring rust - Obviously it's going to be there, and it's probably not going to look the defensive wizard who counterpunches perfectly for at least a few rounds... maybe more.

2. Lack of prime - Winky has been on the downhill slide since the Sam Soliman fight... the amount of times Taylor was able to bust through his guard (which Wright would have loved in his prime, because it would have never gotten through) was astounding to me. Soliman (a C fighter at best) hit him a bunch of times. Hopkins was able to hit him a lot... although that is excusable, Hopkins is really, really good at finding openings.

3. Style problems - Wright has always done his worst work against volume punchers. Vargas outworked him (bad decision, but even so, it was closer than it would have been had Vargas not really stepped up his workrate), Simon outworked him, Angel Hernandez (another C fighter) made it real close in a fight that should have been a blowout because of workrate), Soliman made it close, Taylor made it close with activity, etc. Wright spends too much time covered up against volume punchers and their punches thrown count is just too high for him to dominate rounds like he should. That and his defensive leaks is a combination that will end up badly for Wright IMO.

I really, really hope I'm wrong about all this. I just have my bet in my sig out of loyalty... I always put at least one bet down on my favorite fighters (if I can get it... not many people were ****ing on my door to take Derrick Findley against Andre Dirrell ), and that is all that one is.

[Burner]

Hey Wiens you think Wright is going to beat Williams?
In a strange way I have a stranger feeling my guy Wright is going exposed alot of williams flaws.... But it is funny because I think Williams still should win...

Thats why I will not bet on this fight because Wright is the perfect fighter if their ever was one to expose Williams weakness for the right hand and the jab. but then again Wright is not mobile enough to keep Williams off of him...


this fight is so crazy.

That is why I say Winky would own Paul if this was 4 years ago....

Not to mention Paul never has fun with southpaws anyway....BUT.....

People forget that Q gave Paul angles..great ones..and used his legs to get the hell out of there...Winky cant do that anymore..he was even a sitting duck for Bernard....

He will come str8 foward and get pounded..by the time he realizes that this "stay in the shell and block 100 Paul punches" isnt working and he starts throwing ...hell be down 8 rounds to zip.

He has really a slim chance....

And did I mention a 2 year lay off....

You dont roll out of bed.........

Take NO tune up.......

Spend time recording "Winkys House"...YES SERIOUSLY ITS A SITCOM DRAMA.

Then walk in the ring and beat a guy who will throw 100 bombs at you per 3 minutes with an 82 inch reach....

NOT HAPPENING.

[Fox McCloud]

Ill respond to each paragraph...

1. Im damn sure that a prime Winky with legs...beats Paul 10 times out of ten...the jab..the movement..the defense..the counter punching..the angles..the size..bad night for Williams.

2. Yes Mayweather is better then Q...But Floyd isnt a slick southpaw....whose Paul always had troubles with..even when Sharmba was hitting him clean...Mayweather would be game as hell...but wstylistically when you look at Paul..it was as if he was made to beat a guy like Mayweather...May could win on punch output alone Calzaghe style if need be.....Floyd would be on the defensive the whole fight..an 82 inch jab in your face all fight...at 6-3...its just not a fair fight IMO...now all things equal in a P4P sense..Paul gets stopped.

3. I started to say that a prime....Bernard Hopkins would beat Roy...Im not sure yet though..but as of rite now..he was untouchable..but Hops was green when they fought.

4. Against Castillo in the first fight he had a INJURE ROTATOR CUFF which limited him..and he won a close fight with ONE ARM..talk about greatness...then he rematched him ASAP and beat him again to further prove his point.***Like a true champion does)))

5. Mayweather.....is a little 140 pounder..hes a small WW and hes a VERY small 154 pounder...it took some getting used to Oscars jabbed...after he started timeing and coming over the top..Oscar like a good boy stopped throwing..hey heres some trivia how many of those signature left hooks landed on Floyd??.....ZERO...He beat Oscar at a weight class he had no business at with small gloves***ODH wanted his hands at risk)))...and with a small ring***ODH didnt want May to use movement))))...and he PWNED Oscar.

6. Mayweather even said it himself hes physically tired and has back pain, etc...the guy was addicted to training and maybe oer trained himself and neede a break...but no one was buying that ODH rematch..not even me.

7. When your past 30 with bad hands...you fight for the money....Mayweathers legacy was sealed long before he weighed 147 pounds on a scale..people really forget that out of 39 fights I belive only 7 was above 135 pounds.

8. Mayweather is undefeated with bad hands....its not a flaw..he floored Hatton..Corralles..and countless others he just doesnt swing as hard as wants to any more.

9. Yes Larryx is seriously scary...thats borderline physco shyt.

There u go kind sir.

I don't really have a lot more to say on the subject to be honest, other than repeating what I said... I think we are probably just going to disagree on a lot of this stuff...

Good post though.

Was it you that said that you watched the Castillo I fight and it looked like Floyd was lost in there? Someone said that, and I thought it was pretty true... I don't think I really buy the rotator cuff story, especially because Roger Mayweather was talking about the hurt right shoulder and Floyd Jr. was talking about the hurt left shoulder...

Honestly, I think Floyd just got scared that Castillo was tougher than he thought, and lost his head... he obviously is a better fighter as shown in the rematch, and I think that he won the rematch in a more dominant fashion than whatever Castillo did in the first fight... clearly. I don't think it's that big of a deal that he didn't that well against Castillo in the first fight, it was just a bad night and he pretty much erased it in the rematch.

I think Floyd is a really good fighter, and clearly the best since Pernell Whitaker, but calling him perfect is just nuts IMO.

[Burner]

I don't really have a lot more to say on the subject to be honest, other than repeating what I said... I think we are probably just going to disagree on a lot of this stuff...

Good post though.

Was it you that said that you watched the Castillo I fight and it looked like Floyd was lost in there? Someone said that, and I thought it was pretty true... I don't think I really buy the rotator cuff story, especially because Roger Mayweather was talking about the hurt right shoulder and Floyd Jr. was talking about the hurt left shoulder...

Honestly, I think Floyd just got scared that Castillo was tougher than he thought, and lost his head... he obviously is a better fighter as shown in the rematch, and I think that he won the rematch in a more dominant fashion than whatever Castillo did in the first fight... clearly. I don't think it's that big of a deal that he didn't that well against Castillo in the first fight, it was just a bad night and he pretty much erased it in the rematch.

I think Floyd is a really good fighter, and clearly the best since Pernell Whitaker, but calling him perfect is just nuts IMO.

Yeah that was me who said he looked lost.....

And I think it SOME of it was due to the fact tat for the first time...he was fighting someone who really thought they would win..and Castillo was bullying May around and Floyd looked lost..

But I also think that it was also due to his hurt shoulder....he was vunerable for the first time in his career and did the best he could to eek out a win with one arm.

[Horus]

This fight actually makes me really sad to think about... because my prediction is a 9-3 or 8-4 Williams decision win... and if it's 8-4, it won't be a close 8-4... it'll be an obviousy Williams win.

Here is why:
1. Ring rust - Obviously it's going to be there, and it's probably not going to look the defensive wizard who counterpunches perfectly for at least a few rounds... maybe more.

2. Lack of prime - Winky has been on the downhill slide since the Sam Soliman fight... the amount of times Taylor was able to bust through his guard (which Wright would have loved in his prime, because it would have never gotten through) was astounding to me. Soliman (a C fighter at best) hit him a bunch of times. Hopkins was able to hit him a lot... although that is excusable, Hopkins is really, really good at finding openings.

3. Style problems - Wright has always done his worst work against volume punchers. Vargas outworked him (bad decision, but even so, it was closer than it would have been had Vargas not really stepped up his workrate), Simon outworked him, Angel Hernandez (another C fighter) made it real close in a fight that should have been a blowout because of workrate), Soliman made it close, Taylor made it close with activity, etc. Wright spends too much time covered up against volume punchers and their punches thrown count is just too high for him to dominate rounds like he should. That and his defensive leaks is a combination that will end up badly for Wright IMO.

I really, really hope I'm wrong about all this. I just have my bet in my sig out of loyalty... I always put at least one bet down on my favorite fighters (if I can get it... not many people were ****ing on my door to take Derrick Findley against Andre Dirrell ), and that is all that one is.

Man so it is quite possible that you think Winky can get Stoped?
Because Williams has enough Power that if Wright Lets Williams tee-off the ref might step in because wright wont be able to throw back....

[Fox McCloud]

Yeah that was me who said he looked lost.....

And I think it SOME of it was due to the fact tat for the first time...he was fighting someone who really thought they would win..and Castillo was bullying May around and Floyd looked lost..

But I also think that it was also due to his hurt shoulder....he was vunerable for the first time in his career and did the best he could to eek out a win with one arm.

Maybe... I still find it weird that him and Roger had reports of it being the different shoulder that was hurt.

But yeah, that quote about him being lost really stuck in my mind, because it is the perfect way to describe that fight. He didn't look like Mayweather at all, and for that reason alone, I think that proves that he is not perfect. A perfect fighter would have found the perfect adjustment for having one arm, and trying to counter off the ropes was not it.

Even so, I give him a lot of credit for that fight... he did look pretty good early, and even had some late rallies that gives him an argument for pulling out the fight.

The best move of his career (besides beating Diego Corrales worse than Corrales beat his pregnant wife) was rematching Castillo... that earns him a lot of respect. That is the thing that grinds my gears more than anything... the fact that a lot of people want to scream robbery about the first fight and pay him rematching Castillo immediately and clearly winning little to no attention... it's just absurd.