the im rewatching pacman-oscar thread

[S A M U R A I]

Coming down to welterweight actually enhances my speed. ~ Oscar

Oscar has all the answers for Manny Pacquiao, whatever he tries. ~ Angelo Dundee

He's at the point now where he sees things before they happen. ~ Member of De La Hoya's team, 24/7 series

I felt the same way that Oscar feels now. It's that, people are counting him out, people thinking that he can't pull the trigger. People thinking that he ain't gonna be able to fight three minutes for 12 rounds. Well, he can dictate the fight the way he want it to be. ~ Bernard Hopkins

The timing is perfect, him coming in a couple of weeks before the fight. When Hopkins is telling you "well, just relax and fight your fight, take his heart right from the start" it pumps you up. It pumps you up and makes you more confident. ~ Oscar

Oscar has his chance, come December 6, to prove himself. Yes, Pacquiao is fighting Oscar, but Oscar is fighting to keep that legacy alive and respected. We (we?) now are fighting for pride and dignity. Principle. ~ Bernard Hopkins

This type of fight at this stage of my career, I'm so hungry for the knockout, that's why I'm working as hard as I am. My style and his style? Sooner or later we're gonna clash! Knockout. There will be a knockout! ~ Oscar

I feel in tremendous shape. I mean, I can spar 12 rounds here with no problem. I can run 10 miles with ease. ~ Oscar

I haven't felt this good in a long, long time. ~ Oscar


I stole these following posts from another board, but they say what I wanted to type. Credit to the original posters.


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Pacquiao VS Barrera I
Before: Barrera is P4P #3, its a walk in the park
After: His camp was on fire and he was shot

Pacquiao VS Marquez I
Before: Marquez is the technical master of all
After: Judges are corrupt

Pacquiao Vs Morales I
Before: Morales was a legend
After: I told you so!

Pacquiao VS Velazquez
Before: Hector is a top fighter
After: He is a bum

Pacquiao VS Morales II
Before: He will get another beating from Morales
After: Morales is shot

Pacquiao VS Larios
Before: Larios is a very durable fighter
After: Izzy KOed him at 4 while Pac can't

Pacquiao VS Morales III
Before: It was only a bad night, Morales will prevail
After: He was shot (again)

Pacquiao VS Solis
Before: He is undefeated
After: He is a bum

Pacquiao VS Barrera II
Before: Barrera will sought revenge
After: Barrera is shot

Pacquiao VS Marquez II
Before: Marquez would counter him all night long and win
After: Judges are corrupt

Pacquiao VS Diaz
Before: No way can Pac win against a legit lightweight
After: Diaz was a paper champ

Pacquiao VS Hoya
Before: Hoya TKO1 Pacquiao and thats with mercy
After: Hoya is shot!!!!

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It's not difficult at all to ARGUE! Just like it's not hard to find subjective angles to get ones opinion across.

Just look at what he says about JMM... how "MOST thought he won". Most did not think JMM beat PAC.... given that it was a close fight there were fans of both being biased... then you have un-biased fans who had their own opinions... but what it comes down to is how you like your fights... what your preference is. Bottom Line... PAC has beaten MAB who at the time was P4P one of the best fighters in the world and CHAMPION whom PAC beat. What??? I guess he forgot to bring up that PAC should have WON the initial meeting but JMM received a gift DRAW due to a mathematical error by one of the judges. It's easy to leave out facts when they go against your post.

EM... who PAC lost to in a very brutal competitive match, then EM went on to lose against Raheem who is a very slick fighter and with a HUGE fight looming with PAC I'm sure no one felt this was the best EM who lost to Raheem.

People wrote EM off as shot... Whatever.... PAC destroys him in the rematch and rubber and everyone is all on the bandwagon...EM is shot right?

Then EM... the SHOT Fighter moves up to 135 where he is so shot he actually IMO beats David Diaz in a pretty tough 12 round fight.... yes... EM is Shot yet able to got 12 rounds with a young world Champion in Diaz.

Then we have the MAB who got thoroughly outboxed in the rematch and then IMO edges JMM who is soooo good yet can't KO a shot MAB?...this makes no sense.

I could go on and on but it's been said time and time before. Haters are good at what they do...they hate and sometimes they are so good at it they can get some groupies to join the "hating game"...Haters like to run in packs.



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[nickphilli]

yeahh they all said that stuff, but its called HYPE..do you think oscars going to be like yeah im weight drained right before the fight? do you think dundee actually served a purpose in the training camp other than to promote the fight? and you think hopkins is going to say his boss looks bad in training camp? come on man, you cant be serious...thats not how the sport of boxing works, oscar is a genius at selling fights, he always says hes in great condition, when does a fighter say hes in bad shape while trying to hype a fight? im not taking anything away from manny, hes good..but its 50% oscar being weight drained, and 50% manny being that good. had oscar been the oscar at 147 that fought tito..he would have knocked pacquiao out in less than 8 rounds...i dont even think the biggest pac nuthugger can deny that..i just call things how i see it..and in this fight, oscar being weight drained played a HUGE part

[MANGLER]

It was hard to comprehend that ass whoopin watchin it live. A week later, it looks worse and is easier to appreciate rather than be shocked at. Pac was a beast in that fight.

[KantotSilog]

damn this was worst than i remember

Yeah bro. I was at the fight and coming home to watch the PPV made me realize DLH is a *****. He didn't throw anything that convinced me that he was in the fight. I still wish he didn't give up the way he did. I would love to see him put up a fight and then actually touch canvas. I bet $50 on the 8th round. After the 8th ended i ripped my bet ticket. I thought they were gonna call the fight a beginning 9th round TKO. So somewhere in Las Vegas in a pile of garage that came from the Garden Arena is my destroyed bet ticket that is worth some money that will never me claimed=( oh well..I got another $50 on a KO against Hatton in the 6th and against PBF in the 10th=)

[Scott9945]

It was hard to comprehend that ass whoopin watchin it live. A week later, it looks worse and is easier to appreciate rather than be shocked at. Pac was a beast in that fight.

Manny's footwork was tremendous. No matter how badly DLH has slipped, Pacquiao clearly is a much more complete fighter now.

[S A M U R A I]

yeahh they all said that stuff, but its called HYPE..do you think oscars going to be like yeah im weight drained right before the fight? do you think dundee actually served a purpose in the training camp other than to promote the fight? and you think hopkins is going to say his boss looks bad in training camp? come on man, you cant be serious...thats not how the sport of boxing works, oscar is a genius at selling fights, he always says hes in great condition, when does a fighter say hes in bad shape while trying to hype a fight? im not taking anything away from manny, hes good..but its 50% oscar being weight drained, and 50% manny being that good. had oscar been the oscar at 147 that fought tito..he would have knocked pacquiao out in less than 8 rounds...i dont even think the biggest pac nuthugger can deny that..i just call things how i see it..and in this fight, oscar being weight drained played a HUGE part

Why are you making excuses when even Oscar said himself it wasn't the weight that affected him?



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[S A M U R A I]

It was hard to comprehend that ass whoopin watchin it live. A week later, it looks worse and is easier to appreciate rather than be shocked at. Pac was a beast in that fight.

Beast is the right word. No way Oscar can mess with that. No. Way.



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[nickphilli]

after the fight oscar never said weight had nothing to do with it, he hasnt even been interviewed after the post fight interview with larry merchant..so where do you get your info from? even freddy roach said the weight played a huge part in it

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Coming down to welterweight actually enhances my speed. ~ Oscar

Oscar has all the answers for Manny Pacquiao, whatever he tries. ~ Angelo Dundee

He's at the point now where he sees things before they happen. ~ Member of De La Hoya's team, 24/7 series

I felt the same way that Oscar feels now. It's that, people are counting him out, people thinking that he can't pull the trigger. People thinking that he ain't gonna be able to fight three minutes for 12 rounds. Well, he can dictate the fight the way he want it to be. ~ Bernard Hopkins

The timing is perfect, him coming in a couple of weeks before the fight. When Hopkins is telling you "well, just relax and fight your fight, take his heart right from the start" it pumps you up. It pumps you up and makes you more confident. ~ Oscar

Oscar has his chance, come December 6, to prove himself. Yes, Pacquiao is fighting Oscar, but Oscar is fighting to keep that legacy alive and respected. We (we?) now are fighting for pride and dignity. Principle. ~ Bernard Hopkins

This type of fight at this stage of my career, I'm so hungry for the knockout, that's why I'm working as hard as I am. My style and his style? Sooner or later we're gonna clash! Knockout. There will be a knockout! ~ Oscar

I feel in tremendous shape. I mean, I can spar 12 rounds here with no problem. I can run 10 miles with ease. ~ Oscar

I haven't felt this good in a long, long time. ~ Oscar


I stole these following posts from another board, but they say what I wanted to type. Credit to the original posters.


_____________________________________


Pacquiao VS Barrera I
Before: Barrera is P4P #3, its a walk in the park
After: His camp was on fire and he was shot

Pacquiao VS Marquez I
Before: Marquez is the technical master of all
After: Judges are corrupt

Pacquiao Vs Morales I
Before: Morales was a legend
After: I told you so!

Pacquiao VS Velazquez
Before: Hector is a top fighter
After: He is a bum

Pacquiao VS Morales II
Before: He will get another beating from Morales
After: Morales is shot

Pacquiao VS Larios
Before: Larios is a very durable fighter
After: Izzy KOed him at 4 while Pac can't

Pacquiao VS Morales III
Before: It was only a bad night, Morales will prevail
After: He was shot (again)

Pacquiao VS Solis
Before: He is undefeated
After: He is a bum

Pacquiao VS Barrera II
Before: Barrera will sought revenge
After: Barrera is shot

Pacquiao VS Marquez II
Before: Marquez would counter him all night long and win
After: Judges are corrupt

Pacquiao VS Diaz
Before: No way can Pac win against a legit lightweight
After: Diaz was a paper champ

Pacquiao VS Hoya
Before: Hoya TKO1 Pacquiao and thats with mercy
After: Hoya is shot!!!!

___________________________________________



It's not difficult at all to ARGUE! Just like it's not hard to find subjective angles to get ones opinion across.

Just look at what he says about JMM... how "MOST thought he won". Most did not think JMM beat PAC.... given that it was a close fight there were fans of both being biased... then you have un-biased fans who had their own opinions... but what it comes down to is how you like your fights... what your preference is. Bottom Line... PAC has beaten MAB who at the time was P4P one of the best fighters in the world and CHAMPION whom PAC beat. What??? I guess he forgot to bring up that PAC should have WON the initial meeting but JMM received a gift DRAW due to a mathematical error by one of the judges. It's easy to leave out facts when they go against your post.

EM... who PAC lost to in a very brutal competitive match, then EM went on to lose against Raheem who is a very slick fighter and with a HUGE fight looming with PAC I'm sure no one felt this was the best EM who lost to Raheem.

People wrote EM off as shot... Whatever.... PAC destroys him in the rematch and rubber and everyone is all on the bandwagon...EM is shot right?

Then EM... the SHOT Fighter moves up to 135 where he is so shot he actually IMO beats David Diaz in a pretty tough 12 round fight.... yes... EM is Shot yet able to got 12 rounds with a young world Champion in Diaz.

Then we have the MAB who got thoroughly outboxed in the rematch and then IMO edges JMM who is soooo good yet can't KO a shot MAB?...this makes no sense.

I could go on and on but it's been said time and time before. Haters are good at what they do...they hate and sometimes they are so good at it they can get some groupies to join the "hating game"...Haters like to run in packs.

that's a wrap....excuses dismissed



and if Oscar felt that he NEEDED to do all that to his body just to have a shot, then PAC already won the mental game as soon as the fight was signed...part of the game

[larryx]

weigh clearly played a role...as did manny