Floyd and Pacquaio. THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!!

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  • Mickey Gomez
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    Floyd and Pacquaio. THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!!

    The only question that matters for this match up is "can Pacquiao get past Floyd's defence?" Floyd's defence is based on reactions, he anticipates a punch and either blocks it or avoids it.

    Pacquaio can possibly make his way past Floyd's defence by feinting, Pacquiao has fast enough hands to trick and coax defensive movement from Floyd, allowing him to theoretically land shots.

    But and this is the big but, Floyd seems to have an uncanny ability to learn his opponents movement and strategy. How often have we seen Floyd come under pressure in the early rounds before stepping it up and dismantling his opposition? TThis happens because at some stage during every Floyd Mayweather Jr fight, there comes a "eureka" moment, a point of the contest in which Floyd has figured you out and from that moment on, he has you.

    Manny without doubt has the tools to beat Mayweather, but the thing about Floyd and what makes him a legendary fighter, is the way in which he turns those tools against you. If the fight ever comes off Pac Man may unfortunately, become a victim of his own ability.
    Last edited by Mickey Gomez; 12-12-2008, 05:51 AM.
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    He could but it depends on his strategy for that fight, Pacquiao is a very hard guy to time and he is very fast so Mayweather may not even see what Pacquiao is doing in time to bring up his defense when Pacquiao does his in and out movement, last time Mayweather fought someone who was as fast as him, Zab Judah, he had trouble before Judah started to fade, like he always does so Pacquiao's speed, both of hand and foot could give Mayweather trouble.

    A less likely scenario is that Pacquiao does what he did with DLH, 1-2-3 turn and use a lot of movement, before long we could see Mayweather being the aggressor chasing Pacquiao down, opening himself up to counters.

    All this is hypothetical of course, Mayweather probably would be fast enough to get his defense up before Pacquiao gets to him, assuming the layoff doesn't affect him too much but you never know.

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      Originally posted by Silencers
      He could but it depends on his strategy for that fight, Pacquiao is a very hard guy to time and he is very fast so Mayweather may not even see what Pacquiao is doing in time to bring up his defense when Pacquiao does his in and out movement, last time Mayweather fought someone who was as fast as him, Zab Judah, he had trouble before Judah started to fade, like he always does so Pacquiao's speed, both of hand and foot could give Mayweather trouble.

      A less likely scenario is that Pacquiao does what he did with DLH, 1-2-3 turn and use a lot of movement, before long we could see Mayweather being the aggressor chasing Pacquiao down, opening himself up to counters.

      All this is hypothetical of course, Mayweather probably would be fast enough to get his defense up before Pacquiao gets to him, assuming the layoff doesn't affect him too much but you never know.
      Zab did fade, but I think the writing was on the wall before that. Floyd was starting to figure him out.

      Pac won't be able to turn Floyd in the same way he was able to turn the slow flat footed Oscar.

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        The most important question is whether Floyd will ever have the nerve to face Pacquiao.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Pepe Smith
          The most important question is whether Floyd will ever have the nerve to face Pacquiao.
          Thanks for that valuable insight.

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            Originally posted by mickey gomez
            Zab did fade, but I think the writing was on the wall before that. Floyd was starting to figure him out.

            Pac won't be able to turn Floyd in the same way he was able to turn the slow flat footed Oscar.
            It was a combination of the two, Judah always fades around the 4th or 5th rounds which was when Mayweather started to take over so Judah fading was a pretty big part of it IMO, Pacquiao doesn't fade, he's there for 3 minutes of every round for 12 rounds.

            You never know, Pacquiao has fast feet, maybe even faster than Mayweather's at this stage.

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            • J.R
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              To be honest if this fight happens before a Hatton fight, he could do it, but i even though i think Hatton would take Manny, Ricky would take a lot out of the smaller Paqcuiao, and therefore leave him open for Floyd, but IF it happened BEFORE a Hatton fight i think Paqcuiao would be able to do Mayweather in a middle round TKO. Just my humble opinion.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Silencers
                It was a combination of the two, Judah always fades around the 4th or 5th rounds which was when Mayweather started to take over so Judah fading was a pretty big part of it IMO, Pacquiao doesn't fade, he's there for 3 minutes of every round for 12 rounds.

                You never know, Pacquiao has fast feet, maybe even faster than Mayweather's at this stage.
                Pac definitely doesn't fade, but Mayweather likes pressure, his whole fight game is built around the premise of "you try to hit me, I make you miss and I land counters at will".

                As before, if Manny can trick Floyd into covering up he may land.

                And don't fogert this scenario is based upon the notion of Pacquiao coming forward, if Floyd takes the fight to Pac, Floyd could see himself landing a lot, Floyd is clinically accurate and packs good power for his weight, the smaller Pac could find himself on the back foot which he would find hard to cope with.

                Originally posted by John-Locke-9-22
                To be honest if this fight happens before a Hatton fight, he could do it, but i even though i think Hatton would take Manny, Ricky would take a lot out of the smaller Paqcuiao, and therefore leave him open for Floyd, but IF it happened BEFORE a Hatton fight i think Paqcuiao would be able to do Mayweather in a middle round TKO. Just my humble opinion.
                Possibly, but I think Hatton would have a hard time pinning the Pinoy down long enough to do some damage. And how many shots could Manny land on Hatton as he lunges in? Although it could be argued that Hatton's size and strength could negate some but all of Pacquiaos boxing skill.

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                  Originally posted by mickey gomez
                  Pac definitely doesn't fade, but Mayweather likes pressure, his whole fight game is built around the premise of "you try to hit me, I make you miss and I land counters at will".

                  As before, if Manny can trick Floyd into covering up he may land.

                  And don't fogert this scenario is based upon the notion of Pacquiao coming forward, if Floyd takes the fight to Pac, Floyd could see himself landing a lot, Floyd is clinically accurate and packs good power for his weight, the smaller Pac could find himself on the back foot which he would find hard to cope with.
                  He does well with fighters who put pressure on him apart from Castillo in their first fight but he hasn't really faced a guy who went in and out on him like Pacquiao would, the only guy that comes to mind is Emanuel Augustus who gave him a very tough fight.

                  I doubt Pacquiao would outsmart Mayweather, I don't think Mayweather would get tricked into covering up by Pacquiao.

                  Mayweather hasn't been an offensive fighter in a while so if he goes forward, he could get caught by Pacquiao, similar to how Corley got him and stunned him, Corley is also a southpaw.

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                    Originally posted by Silencers
                    He does well with fighters who put pressure on him apart from Castillo in their first fight but he hasn't really faced a guy who went in and out on him like Pacquiao would, the only guy that comes to mind is Emanuel Augustus who gave him a very tough fight.

                    I doubt Pacquiao would outsmart Mayweather, I don't think Mayweather would get tricked into covering up by Pacquiao.

                    Mayweather hasn't been an offensive fighter in a while so if he goes forward, he could get caught by Pacquiao, similar to how Corley got him and stunned him, Corley is also a southpaw.
                    The fight with Castillo was at 135. Castillo was slightly bigger than Floyd at that stage, he pressured Floyd intelligently. Pacquiao being smaller will find it harder to apply the same kind of pressure.

                    Yes Pac moves in and out better than anyone Floyd has faced thus far, which also makes me lean to the idea of Floyd becoming the aggressor to neutralise Pac's movement.

                    I do think Pac has a good chance of beating Floyd if it ever happens, but as with other opponents I see Floyd doing enough (just) to take it.

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