MAYweather vs PACquaio: BATTLE FOR SUPREMACY !!!

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And what would the fight with Floyd be about?

MONEY

yep, so floyd has to fight at a catchweight or no fight

Missed the point. If it was Ok for Pac to move up to 147 for Oscar than it is OK for Pac to continue to fight at 147 for Floyd. You issue was with size but I pointed out that Oscar was bigger than Floyd and made Floyd come up to 154 for him. A weight that Oscar was accustomed to and healthy at and packed on 10+ pounds by fight-time while Floyd didn't gain weight and actually heard he lost weight by fight-time. The key for Floyd was just to make the 154 pound weight for the scales.

sure, its okay, but that's not what is gonna happen

Missed the point again. Pac's fight-time weight is what is important. It shows that he is right around the same weight as Floyd by fight-time (when Floyd was active at WW). So, there is no need to drop down in weight if they would just rehydrate by fight-time.

then what's the difference if floyd can get back down to 143, he'll just rehydrate just like pac

The only reason anyone would want Floyd to come in at 140 or a "catch-weight" is to force him to think about it during training camp and diet down for the scales. So, he would be fighting both the scales and Manny. That's what Freddie mentioned.

yep, cause floyd has fought at the higher weight longer and is the bigger, stronger guy

If both fighters are coming in at 147-150 by fight-time anyway, why bother in lowering the weight to 140 just to make that weight for the scales?
That's the point.

if both are coming in 147-150, then what's the big deal for both going down to a catchweight? both will have to diet to get to the weight.

I would say it is easier for an active fighter to make weight on the scales than it is for someone that is inactive as well as a fighter who hasn't had to make weight in some time. Last time Floyd fought at 140 was 2005.

if he can't make weight then don't make the fight

Ah, at least you admit it along with Freddie. You would rather stab a person first before you actually meet him. I brought this up before Commodus:

of course, commodus has no business being in the same ring w/ maximus; just like pac has no business being in the same ring w/ floyd. but since maximus kicked commodus' ass anyways, maximus gets even greater honor and glory. same principle w/ pac and floyd.

That is why I have more respect for Fighters like Chris Byrd and other HWs that don't worry about weight issues.

I bet you will have even more respect if floyd beats pac at a catchweight because he had to make the bigger sacrifice.

How can you be happy with such a fight?

cause floyd is too big for pac; he should be fighting mosley

Whatever happened to Freddie's words of: Size doesn't win, Skills do

but floyd has the size advantage and the skill advantage

Floyd seems mentally focused but he isn't the same mentally and has said this himself. He worries about his kids now and has to be more cautious compared to his younger years. I think that was in the interview prior to Hatton.

doesn't matter, floyd always executes

Not the same young Floyd.

yeah, but more experienced and better for it

He also retired twice already and has said he is not into boxing anymore. Another sign of mental burn-out and could weigh on his mind if he comes back.

or a marketing and promotional ploy

For Gloves: Freddie was with Oscar when Floyd had to wear "Reyes" gloves instead of "Winning." Freddie also made sure Floyd was only able to wrap his hands a certain way.

so what, floyd still beat dlh. more props to floyd

Floyd throws more punches when he can wear "Winning" Gloves. When he can't, his punch-out-put declines. He breaks his hands to much.

I don't really notice this difference. floyd is always economical w/ his punches

It doesn't make it right.

but that's just the way it is

He could only fight a big name on PPV. He is not Tyson.

A fight on HBO would also get his name back in the picture with more viewers which could in return boost the PPV view sales for his big fight.
If he really wanted to, he could set up a fight on ESPN or regular TV where even more viewers are.

floyd's name is always in the picture. the tune up is to get rid of ring rust more than it is to promote his next fight.

But yes, bad PPV numbers would hurt him in negotiations. Right now he has his numbers for Oscar and Hatton.

exactly, pac has leverage

Pac just mentioned he would fight Margarito. This was before Shane got to him.

Freddie was asked about the fight and Freddie made a joke having the fight at 143??? I think it was. Meaning: will make him kill himself to make weight so we can fight a dead man.

why not? margo is a humongous WW. if margo thinks he can make 143 and still be effective you can't tell him he can't.

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Benny, you are right and people know it.

But they are trying to talk about fairness.
Well this is fairness:

If you dont think you can beat Floyd, dont fight him.


Thats why Nobody would race a Lexus vs. a Benz
Unless that benz gave a a Lexus headstart.
But if the benz gave that Lexus a headstart and the benz loss..

Can we say really say that That Lexus beat that benz in a fair race?


But if you think you have a Lexus that can beat a benz and you want race a benz.

Than let that Lexus race the Benz and see who wins.

and if that Lexus wins the race, then guess what, you just prove a lexus can beat a benz in a fair race.

What is greater winning a race because you got a headstart

or

winning a race where both of you guys are racing at the same point.



So IMO if Pacquiao wanna see if he can beat the best fighter of his generation.

Pacquaio should fight floyd at what ever weight Floyd is comfortable at and see if he wins.

or if floyd wants to prove that he is the best ever, he can handicap himself a little against a smaller dude and still whup his ass. that's called facing adversity.

why would you race a benz vs. a lexus when you already know the result? you give the one a headstart to give the element of surprise to the race.

seriously, imho floyd beats pac hands down... the only way pac can beat floyd is if floyd has to fight at a catchweight and even then, i still have floyd as a favorite.

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or if floyd wants to prove that he is the best ever, he can handicap himself a little against a smaller dude and still whup his ass. that's called facing adversity.

why would you race a benz vs. a lexus when you already know the result? you give the one a headstart to give the element of surprise to the race.

seriously, imho floyd beats pac hands down... the only way pac can beat floyd is if floyd has to fight at a catchweight and even then, i still have floyd as a favorite.

See this is where i am different from Benny. I believe Floyd can make 140 and imo he should go back to 140. So he can fight people his own size and be in more exciting fights becuz he wont have to worry about a trading shots with naturally bigger man like he does at welterweight.

and therefore he style would be more exciting and he would go for the Ko..
Instead when he is fighting in the WW division he is just trying win and not get Ko'ed.

So I hope he fights Pacquiao at 140. So he can stay at 140 !

and if Mosely or cotto want to fight Floyd, he can come down to 140 and fight him.

You can not say that floyd wasnt a exciting fighter from 140 on down.
thats where i want him to go.

because at 147 floyd is just fighting to survive instead of fighting to kill.

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Pac can beat Floyd at 147, Freddie wants a catch weight coz he wants to get most of the credit when Pac beats floyd at a catch wt.

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See this is where i am different from Benny. I believe Floyd can make 140 and imo he should go back to 140. So he can fight people his own size and be in more exciting fights becuz he wont have to worry about a trading shots with naturally bigger man like he does at welterweight.

and therefore he style would be more exciting and he would go for the Ko..
Instead when he is fighting in the WW division he is just trying win and not get Ko'ed.

So I hope he fights Pacquiao at 140. So he can stay at 140 !

and if Mosely or cotto want to fight Floyd, he can come down to 140 and fight him.

You can not say that floyd wasnt a exciting fighter from 140 on down.
thats where i want him to go.

because at 147 floyd is just fighting to survive instead of fighting to kill.

I agree with you, the only reason floyd had to go up to 147+ was to fight dlh. now that he's had his fight w/ dlh, its time for him to get back to where he was the most effective.

that is if he can make 140; if he can't he should just retire.

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or if floyd wants to prove that he is the best ever, he can handicap himself a little against a smaller dude and still whup his ass. that's called facing adversity.

why would you race a benz vs. a lexus when you already know the result? you give the one a headstart to give the element of surprise to the race.

seriously, imho floyd beats pac hands down... the only way pac can beat floyd is if floyd has to fight at a catchweight and even then, i still have floyd as a favorite.

Floyd already goes into fights with the possibility of breaking his hands.

Look at what happened to Paulie during the Hatton fight and what Paulie said after the fight: he basically admitted he was shot mentally because of his physical status with his hands. If you are afraid to punch, how are you going to win?

That's why they forced Floyd to wear "Reyes" gloves instead of "Winning" and made sure he wrapped his hands a certain way. He has to resort to pot-shots and lesson the combinations.
I'm not even sure why he doesn't jab and move like he used to but I would like someone to ask him that question.

Add age and inactivity, and what do you have?


But yes, by your point I guess Floyd is so Great that he would still be favored.

Floyd never fought at 154 before but Oscar did yet Floyd moved up to face Oscar. Pac at least fought at 147 before and won big.
Size wouldn't be that big of a difference because they both are around the same weight anyway by fight-time.

Draining weight would only increase the risk for a fighter to show up "Flat" which is what you seem to want. Floyd's chances of showing up "Flat" are much greater than Pac's because of inactivity on Floyd's part and the fact he hasn't had to drain himself for a fight in a long time. He hasn't fought at 140 since '05.
But I'm sure Freddie would love for it to turn out like a Oscar situation.
And in the end, only few will remember the details of what was going on. At the end of the day, most will just remember who won.

I doubt Pac would want that. Freddie, yes.

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I agree with you, the only reason floyd had to go up to 147+ was to fight dlh. now that he's had his fight w/ dlh, its time for him to get back to where he was the most effective.

that is if he can make 140; if he can't he should just retire.

He is retired. He could still come back and fight Cotto or Mosley at 147 if he wanted. Not sure if he cares at this point but he probably would get more respect fighting those two than Pac because it will actually give him a legacy against actual good WW fighters.

He is retired.

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Floyd already goes into fights with the possibility of breaking his hands.

so what's the big deal then?

Look at what happened to Paulie during the Hatton fight and what Paulie said after the fight: he basically admitted he was shot mentally because of his physical status with his hands. If you are afraid to punch, how are you going to win?

but he faces that possibility everytime he fights.

That's why they forced Floyd to wear "Reyes" gloves instead of "Winning" and made sure he wrapped his hands a certain way. He has to resort to pot-shots and lesson the combinations.

winnning or reyes... floyd's still gonna potshot

I'm not even sure why he doesn't jab and move like he used to but I would like someone to ask him that question.

you already said it in a prior post... he's fighitng guys that are too big for him

Add age and inactivity, and what do you have?

a potshotting floyd

But yes, by your point I guess Floyd is so Great that he would still be favored.

Floyd never fought at 154 before but Oscar did yet Floyd moved up to face Oscar. Pac at least fought at 147 before and won big.
Size wouldn't be that big of a difference because they both are around the same weight anyway by fight-time.

the difference is floyd's career goal is to beat dlh and pac's career goal isn't to beat floyd.

Draining weight would only increase the risk for a fighter to show up "Flat" which is what you seem to want. Floyd's chances of showing up "Flat" are much greater than Pac's because of inactivity on Floyd's part and the fact he hasn't had to drain himself for a fight in a long time. He hasn't fought at 140 since '05.

when then he should take a tune up

But I'm sure Freddie would love for it to turn out like a Oscar situation.
And in the end, only few will remember the details of what was going on. At the end of the day, most will just remember who won.

well then floyd should take the fight then

I doubt Pac would want that. Freddie, yes.

agreed.

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He is retired. He could still come back and fight Cotto or Mosley at 147 if he wanted. Not sure if he cares at this point but he probably would get more respect fighting those two than Pac because it will actually give him a legacy against actual good WW fighters.

He is retired.

true, he's better off fighting mosley and cotto at WW

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Again, I doubt Pac would care where the fight would be held. After all, Pac was the one who brought up fighting Margarito.

I doubt PBF cares if its 140 or at a catch weight too.