thoughts on Margarito-Mayweather

[Vasyl’s dad]

READ THIS POST TO GET THE REAL ANSWER...PURE FACTS..!!!!!!!

ONLY DUMB ASS PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVES MAYWEATHER DUCK MARGARITO....AND I REINTEGRATE ONLY "DUMB ASS" PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT MYTH......

MARGARITO OR DE LA HOYA......

MAYWEATHER VS. MARGARITO SITUATION

The announcement of the fight never came, but several other shocking occurrences took place. The first occurrence did not surprise many insiders in the business as Mayweather declined the multi-million dollar offer to fight Margarito. The minute the fight was being talked about as an "almost done deal," numerous boxing experts, scribes, managers and fighters felts the fight would fall apart for one reason or another and it did.

The Mayweather camp says that a Margarito fight is still an option, just not on August 12. Apparently Mayweather's right hand, which he injured during the April 8 bout with Zab Judah, is still giving him problems and the general feeling in the camp is Mayweather will not be able to prepare in time for the August 12 date.

The second occurrence was something that many in business saw coming a mile away as Mayweather exercised a provision in his contract and paid Top Rank $750K to become a promotional free agent.

As Top Rank and several insiders have already stated, Mayweather has made the proper strategic maneuvers to position himself for a potential showdown with Oscar De La Hoya, which could possibly take place as early as September. Of course De La Hoya has to get past Ricardo Mayorga on May 6, and it is far from a guarantee that De La Hoya will win.

There are several reasons for the speculation that Mayweather's recent business decisions are due to a potential bout with Oscar De La Hoya. The first, Bob Arum, head of Top Rank, and De La Hoya, have been feuding ever since Oscar left Top Rank to start his own promotional company. The war of words between the two promoters have sometimes been public and often far from complimentary. De La Hoya went as far as to say that he would never make a fight with Mayweather as long as Arum as his promoter.

SOUNDS KINDA SIMULAR TO THE
FLOYD VS. COTTO SITUATION.....




With Oscar's announcement of only fighting two more times before sailing into retirement, Mayweather would have had to make a career decision in order to position himself at the head of the Golden Boy sweepstakes. Either call De La Hoya's bluff and move forward with Arum, or dump Arum in order to eliminate the biggest obstacle in making the fight a reality. According to many, Mayweather took no chances and left Arum.
If Mayweather went forward with Margarito in August, a September date with De La Hoya would have been a daydream. On the other hand, Mayweather reportedly left on good terms with Arum, meaning that if De La Hoya should lose on May 6, Mayweather still has an open door to easily make a bout with Margarito before the end of the year.

Mayweather's recent business decisions make total sense in the long run. Margarito is no hurry to leave the sport, at 28-years-old, the highly respect fighter will be around for several more years. The Golden ship on the hand is set to sail by the end of the year. The bout with De La Hoya, worth millions more than the bout with Margarito is a once in a life time opportunity for Mayweather.

If De La Hoya is successful against Mayorga, the road will be wide open for two of the most popular fighters in the sport to come together and stage one of the largest fights in the last couple of years. The storyline alone is enough to sell the fight on pay-per-view. De La Hoya, trained by Mayweather's father, Floyd Sr., fights Mayweather who is trained by his uncle Roger, his father's brother. The family angle, the new generation taking out the old, and everything else in between makes this bout a sure moneymaker.


Bob Arum has already announced a backup plan for August 12, a pay-per-view rematch between WBC heavyweight champion Hasim Rahman and mandatory challenger Oleg Maskaev.

Nobody cares about that **** except you.

When a big time fighter wants a fight, he gets it. Thats what "mega stars", do. They dictate.

Floyd never wanted Tony, ever.

[Horus]

Nobody cares about that **** except you.

When a big time fighter wants a fight, he gets it. Thats what "mega stars", do. They dictate.

Floyd never wanted Tony, ever.

Come on Man,Let's have a real discussion about this...
I gave you my reason...

Now please tell me what is false about that Post...?
CAN YOU PLEASE PICK APART MY LAST POST...


AND NOT JUST SAY....

"Oh he is scared..." ....

Because you sound foolish to say another BOXER is scared of another BOXER..even Arum wont say Floyd is scared of Margarito Physically...
and that is margarito promoter...


So lets have a real discussion.

and Prove your belief why what I just Posted is wrong and pick out what is wrong with my post.?

No rants
No one liners
No bull****s...


Let's have a real discussion no flaming...

[Vasyl’s dad]

Come on Man,Let's have a real discussion about this...
I gave you my reason...

Now please tell me what is false about that Post...?
CAN YOU PLEASE PICK APART MY LAST POST...


AND NOT JUST SAY....

"Oh he is scared..." ....

Because you sound foolish to say another BOXER is scared of another BOXER..even Arum wont say Floyd is scared of Margarito Physically...
and that is margarito promoter...


So lets have a real discussion.

and Prove your belief why what I just Posted is wrong and pick out what is wrong with my post.?

No rants
No one liners
No bull****s...


Let's have a real discussion no flaming...

I already told you, Floyd is in the position to do whatever he wants now, with whoever he wants.

He doesn't want Margarito at all.

Many posters have stated that Floyds sole reason for even going to 147 was to chase Oscar. We don't deny that.


What else more is there to say?

This has nothing to do with your article either. The fact of the matter is, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is in the position to call his own shots.

He told Margarito face to face, "you'll get your shot". He should have just said, "you know what, I'm not really interested in fighting you, I'm looking to secure a date with DLH.". That would have been more admirable than to outright lie to the mans face.

I seriously hope he proves me wrong. With Floyd being as talented as he is, and Tony being the beast he is, it makes for a great matchup inside the ring, **** what the monetary numbers say. What happens inside is what is going to be remembered, not how much money anyone made. I know, I know, its not my health, yada yada. But as fans, if we're so concerned with the health of the fighters, why do we enjoy watching this brutal sport?

Because we love to see man vs man, mano a mano, get it on for bragging rights.

[Horus]

I already told you, Floyd is in the position to do whatever he wants now, with whoever he wants.

He doesn't want Margarito at all.

Many posters have stated that Floyds sole reason for even going to 147 was to chase Oscar. We don't deny that.


What else more is there to say?

This has nothing to do with your article either. The fact of the matter is, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is in the position to call his own shots.

He told Margarito face to face, "you'll get your shot". He should have just said, "you know what, I'm not really interested in fighting you, I'm looking to secure a date with DLH.". That would have been more admirable than to outright lie to the mans face.

I seriously hope he proves me wrong. With Floyd being as talented as he is, and Tony being the beast he is, it makes for a great matchup inside the ring, **** what the monetary numbers say. What happens inside is what is going to be remembered, not how much money anyone made. I know, I know, its not my health, yada yada. But as fans, if we're so concerned with the health of the fighters, why do we enjoy watching this brutal sport?

Because we love to see man vs man, mano a mano, get it on for bragging rights.

Look Right Now Margarito has more of a claim to fight Floyd then back then.
(fact)

Margarito is doing what Floyd told him to do, MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF.
and not look for 1 fight to solve all his problems...

The irony of this is, Margarito Fans are telling Williams fans that he needs to go make a name for himself and not look for 1 fight to solve all his problems...


In life you have to work for what you get...
you have to earn it....
Floyd was a champion for 10 years before he fought Oscar.
It took Floyd to become p4p best in the world for 2 years to fight Oscar....


In 2006 what could Margarito say for himself?
He was gaining Momentum before he lose to williams...

but that lose **** him....


Ask yourself this Question...?

How much credit you think floyd would have got for beating Margarito in 2006?

if you say Alot of credit.....Answer me this one question?


How much Credit did Williams get for beating Margarito?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Look Right Now Margarito has more of a claim to fight Floyd then back then.
(fact)

Margarito is doing what Floyd told him to do, MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF.
and not look for 1 fight to solve all his problems...

The irony of this is, Margarito Fans are telling Williams fans that he needs to go make a name for himself and not look for 1 fight to solve all his problems...


In life you have to work for what you get...
you have to earn it....
Floyd was a champion for 10 years before he fought Oscar.
It top Floyd to become p4p best in the world to fight Oscar....


In 2006 what could Margarito say for himself?
He was gaining Momentum before he lose to williams...

but that lose **** him....


Ask yourself this Question...?

How much credit you think floyd would have got for beating Margarito in 2006?

if you say Alot of credit.....Answer me this one question?


How much Credit did Williams get for beating Margarito?

I'll play your game.


Back then, Margarito was the longest reigning beltholder with about 6 defenses of his title.

lol "make a name for yourself". Did Chicanito Hernandez tell Mayweather to make a name for himself before they fought?

Margarito already fought Paul, asked for an immediate rematch, was declined by Paul and moved on. Just like he moved on when Floyd denied him a fight.

Floyd was a champion for 10 years before he fought Oscar, big deal. Carlos Baldomir was a champ for one minute and Floyd gave him a fight. The same Carlos Baldomir who had 5 losses more than Margarito at the time of Floyds famous, "he has 4 losses", comment.


In 2006 Tony was already titlist for 5 years with plenty of defenses.
Zab Judah lost prior to his fight with Floyd, but that didn't seem to disrupt that matchup.

Floyd would have gotten a ****load of credit for beating a man that big, the same as he did when he beat Chico.

The same credit Paul Williams got for beating Tony.



Its 2008 man.


Bottom line, if Floyd wanted Margarito tonight, he could have him.

[J.R.]

I think Floyd would beat Margo by a margin of about 8 rounds to 4, but he's a little too afraid of the risk so he won't be taking the fight any time soon.

Cotto made Margo look bad for many rounds there and Cotto isn't nearly as quick and slick a boxer as Floyd is, so I just don't see how Margo could track Floyd down and land enough to affect Mayweather.

[Horus]

I'll play your game.


Back then, Margarito was the longest reigning beltholder with about 6 defenses of his title.

lol "make a name for yourself". Did Chicanito Hernandez tell Mayweather to make a name for himself before they fought?

Margarito already fought Paul, asked for an immediate rematch, was declined by Paul and moved on. Just like he moved on when Floyd denied him a fight.

Floyd was a champion for 10 years before he fought Oscar, big deal. Carlos Baldomir was a champ for one minute and Floyd gave him a fight. The same Carlos Baldomir who had 5 losses more than Margarito at the time of Floyds famous, "he has 4 losses", comment.


In 2006 Tony was already titlist for 5 years with plenty of defenses.
Zab Judah lost prior to his fight with Floyd, but that didn't seem to disrupt that matchup.

Floyd would have gotten a ****load of credit for beating a man that big, the same as he did when he beat Chico.

The same credit Paul Williams got for beating Tony.



Its 2008 man.


Bottom line, if Floyd wanted Margarito tonight, he could have him.

Trust of the Matter is it 2008, Mayweather doesnt Owe Margarito ****...

The biggest fight that can be made right now is
Manny Pacquaio vs. Floyd Mayweather
This Fight is GREAT for Boxing.


I got my white MMA fan Co-Workers saying That they would Pay to see
Pacquaio fight Mayweather...

At this Point in the Game
De La Hoya, Floyd, Pacquaio, and Hatton are the biggest names in boxing...
They all bring the most money to the sport.

I understand you want your boy to get some shine in a Megafight....against one of these 4...but Until Margarito beats williams I dont see this fight happening....

Margarito is not a draw.

At this Point in the Game
To the Causal and Hardcore Fan Fight...

Who name is Bigger Pacquaio or Margarito???

[Vasyl’s dad]

Trust of the Matter is it 2008, Mayweather doesnt Owe Margarito ****...

The biggest fight that can be made right now is
Manny Pacquaio vs. Floyd Mayweather
This Fight is GREAT for Boxing.


I got my white MMA fan Co-Workers saying That they would Pay to see
Pacquaio fight Mayweather...

At this Point in the Game
De La Hoya, Floyd, Pacquaio, and Hatton are the biggest names in boxing...
They all bring the most money to the sport.

I understand you want your boy to get some shine in a Megafight....against one of these 4...but Until Margarito beats williams I dont see this fight happening....

Margarito is not a draw.

At this Point in the Game
To the Causal and Hardcore Fan Fight...

Who name is Bigger Pacquaio or Margarito???

You care about the money, I don't.

I'll stay a boxing fan, you can be the accountant.


Your guy proved to be a chump at 140 and above and nothing more than great at 130 and 135.

[Horus]

You care about the money, I don't.

I'll stay a boxing fan, you can be the accountant.


Your guy proved to be a chump at 140 and above and nothing more than great at 130 and 135.

Listen, Floyd legacy was already cemented before he come to welter weight.

He doesnt Owe Margarito a fight..!

The fight the fans want to see is Pacquaio vs. Mayweather

Margarito needs to market himself correctly and earned his **** like Mayweather did.

Nobody gave Mayweather nothing...He earn it.
I remember being just like you always wanting my fighters to expect some body to give themsomething for nothing...

What does Margarito do for Mayweather legecy?

Does it Mayweather The best All time?
Mayweather is already consider the best of his era
Mayweather was already p4p # 1 in the sport
Mayweather is already going into the Hall of Fame

So what does Margarito do for Mayweather Legacy?????

Margarito = No Money
example: Making 2 Million for the Mosley Fight

Floyd was making 3 million fighting Henry Bruseles.

Margarito = No star appeal
Margarito fan base is very small
Margarito has not separated himself from the rest....

Ask yourself a question?

How is Miguel Cotto vs. Micheal Jenning a P.P.V event!!!

But

Margarito vs. Shane Mosely IS NOT??????

How is Manny Pacquaio vs.David Diaz a P.P.V event

But

Margarito vs. Shane Mosely IS NOT??????


Why shouldnt Floyd fight Paul Williams before he fights Margarito
if he wants to fight a somebody for free basically?????

Paul Williams beat Margarito and Margarito is scared of Williams...
So If Floyd is going to fight for free why not The Man Margarito is scared of...

Paul Williams....


You get my point, You margarito fans are demanding Floyd fight Margarito
but why should he...??

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE IT..!!! IF PEOPLE want to see Margarito fight Big name fighters.....


Margarito would be headlining P.P.V's bouts on his own!!!

They is no reason why Margarito vs. Shane Mosely should not be on P.P.V.!!!!



if the fans REALLY WANT TO SEE MARGARITO FIGHT...!!!



nNOBODY GIVE A **** ABOUT MARGARITO BUT HIS FANS PERIOD.

AND HIS FANS ARE SO SMALL, THAT HE CANT EVEN HEADLINE HIS OWN P.P.V CARD..!!! VS. A Hall of fame fighter....

[Vasyl’s dad]

Floyds afraid of Tony, we already know that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOSYzIKJFro

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=ZBAFUJR9

In light of all the recent Mayweather ducked Margarito threads, i figured i post this to clear a few things up.

In the summer of 2006, Antonio Margarito confronted Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas at a press conference and asked the self-proclaimed best fighter in history about a fight together and why Floyd was ducking and dodging Bob Arum’s hefty offers to box him. Floyd, face quivering, said the fight didn’t make business sense at the time and that in the future he would fight Margarito, “You get your shot, you get your shot,” promised Mayweather. Sitting in a chair looking up at Margarito, Floyd reached out to hold Margarito’s hand, as if the handshake on top of his word bound the promise as a deal. Mano a Mano, Floyd was promising Margarito a future fight. (See www.youtube.com “Margarito confronts Mayweather.”)

But now we know it was a lie and Floyd is a liar. HBO is said to be very interested in making Mayweather vs. Margarito for 2008 or early 2009 but a source fairly close to Mayweather has said, on the record, Floyd vs. Margarito “will never happen. Never.”

Of course, it comes as no surprise to many boxing followers who are keen on Mayweather’s perpetual ducking and dodging of tough fights despite his contradictory and misleading public statements. Case in point, see how Mayweather vilified Margarito in the media…

“I don’t know who (Margarito) is.”

“Margarito would be easy work. If Bob shows me the money, I’ll fight anybody anywhere. If it makes dollars it makes sense.”

“(Margarito is) levels below me. I’ll punish him for being on the level he is. I’ll punish him for disrespecting my team.”

“Bob Arum is the greatest promoter in history. I love Bob Arum. I love HBO.”

“My team calls all the shots out of the ring, I call them in the ring.”

“Maybe I can fight Margarito next - if I pick his name out of the hat.”

“Who has Margarito beaten to deserve a shot at me? Once he beat two or three big names then we’ll fight.”

“Me and Margarito, we’re not fighting to prove to the boxing fans who the best is.”

“I don’t duck or dodge anybody.”

“But you got to realize this: I’m an A level, I’m an A level opponent, Oscar De La Hoya’s an A level, Floyd Mayweather’s an A level, I mean Margarito is a, he got D level fighters. He had Bob Arum, he got D level fighters. You know without, be honest, without Floyd Mayweather or Oscar De La Hoya, I mean, what is Top Rank, honestly?”

“I mean, the fight with Henry Bruseles - somebody had to give him a chance. You know, everybody gives, I mean, how will we ever know how good a person is till you give them a chance? Somebody had to give him that chance. So I gave him that chance.”

“Who is Margarito? He don’t bring **** to the table.”

“Like I said before, I grabbed boxing fans and asked who is this guy (Margarito) and they didn’t even know who he was.”

“Like I said before I beat Margarito’s ass any day of the week. If this is the fight the fans want to see so be it. Margarito don’t dictate what I do. Don’t no one know who Margarito is.”

“I have more respect for Genaro Hernandez than anybody. Because that was the start of everything. He gave me a chance. I have more respect for Genaro Hernandez than any fighter. Anybody that gives me a chance I have respect for.”

“Margarito - he’s an average fighter. Why would I be scared of him?”

“You know me I’m running my mouth a lot and I’m looking for a guy to shut me up. If you don’t shut me up I’m going to keep running my mouth. Nobody can beat me, there is no way to beat me.”

“I know when someone is tailor-made for me, that I will punish.”

“I want to beat the best out there and whoever is considered the top fighters of my era.”

“I don’t really want to talk about this guy (Margarito). Because I see things that Bob Arum does that don’t make any sense. He says I’m the best fighter in the business, I’m the best fighter since Muhammad Ali. But then he’s talking about me ducking and dodging a fighter. He kicks me out of his boxing gym, then he wants me to fight his fighter (Margarito). How can you talk about doing future business with me if you’re conducting yourself with disorderly conduct?”

“It’s a smart business decision to not fight you now but we will down the road.” (Floyd said this to Margarito’s face while holding his hand, after Margarito confronted him at the Mayorga-De La Hoya press conference in May.)

(Judah’s) already beaten. He’s beat mentally. I just have to do the physical part. I beat every fighter mentally before I beat him physically. There is no on stronger than me mentally.”

“I’m not in the game for just the money, I’m in the game to be a legend. And give the fans and media all around the world exciting fights.”

“(To the media after defeating Carlos Baldomir in Nov.) I love the sport. One more fight and I’m through. I don’t need boxing. I’m not in it for the money. It’s about legacy. I’m rich and I’ve accomplished what I want.”

“They talk about Floyd Mayweather duckin’ and dodgin’ opponents. Listen. I’m trying to fight the number one guy. If the number one guy can’t fight, then I’m fightin’ the number two guy. If I can’t fight number two, I’m fighting number three.”

“I just dish out ass whoopin’s.”

“From 154 on down I tear everyone’s ass up.”

“I don’t know who Paul Williams is. But I hear he’s a pretty good young fighter.”

Leonard Ellerbe: “Margarito has four losses, why should we fight a guy with four losses?” (A few months later Mayweather signed to fight 35-year-old Carlos Baldomir, who had NINE losses.)

So after all those denigrating words about Margarito, now we learn that Floyd will not keep his word and will “never” fight Margarito.

For well over two years it’s been suspected by a few that Mayweather was scared and frightened of Antonio Margarito. But the Floyd-loyalists refused to accept it, No man who steps in those ropes is afraid. Floyd just be waiting for it to be a big money fight. Etc.

Well, it’s a fact now. Even Roger Mayweather can’t hide or deny the truth any longer. Floyd is flat-out scared, 100% fearful of the knockout beating he will endure at the hands of Margarito. Those boxing skills are guided by a man without the heart or the courage to test those skills against a relentless ferocious brute force like Antonio Margarito. Margarito is so fearsome, Mayweather will not fight him, it’s non-negotiable. No price is high enough, nothing in the world is going to persuade Floyd to make the fight boxing fans, the media and HBO want to see most of all.

And that will be the legacy of Mayweather, a talented boxer, a multiple title-holder who ducked and dodged and feared to face the most formidable challenges of his career.

As for the inevitable comeback of Mayweather against another handpicked safe opponent, any TV network would be foolishly mistaken to pay this manufactured fraud anything close to what he demands. Negotiations should be simple, Floyd you take what we offer you. You have no leverage after so openly avoiding Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito. Your market value has severely depreciated.

There just is no public demand to see Floyd face anyone now but Margarito, the man he once vilified in the media. Oscar vs. Floyd is just a set-up exhibition between two men who fear Margarito. What would Oscar vs. Floyd II be billed as? How about “The Battle of the Chickens.”

Personally, I think Mayweather and his ducking ways should be banned from boxing. His lousy fights against handpicked opposition give boxing a bad name and if permitted to continue could do even more irreparable damage. MMA is too entertaining an option now for boxing fans to give their time and hard-earned dollars to. At this important time in boxing history, Boxing must give the fans real, competitive intriguing fights. And garbage fights like Oscar vs. Floyd II should not even be considered let alone offered to the public as first-class, five-star sporting entertainment.

If Mayweather can’t find the courage or motivation to face the greatest challenge of his career, let him stay in hiding I mean retirement.


Thanks Deevel