Calzaghe didn't ruin Lacy, but he is ruined

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  • jcarr71
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    Calzaghe didn't ruin Lacy, but he is ruined

    That was an excellent beating Joe put on him. There is no doubt about that. It was the kind of beating that that could seriously alter the mentality of a fighter, kill his confidence. Yet, I don't think that is really what ended Jeff Lacy. I think it was only one of three parts.

    The second part is the shoulder injury in the very next fight. For all of Lacy's problems, and I'll get into those in a minute, he had the nick name left hook for a reason. He carried serious, fight changing power before that injury. No matter if he was getting outboxed or plain beat up, there was the equalizer that hasn't been seen since the shoulder injury. I mean has Lacy shown any serious power in his left hook since the second round of the Tsypko fight? He dropped Manfredo with a right but didn't have the diversity of punches to pile on and get a stoppage.

    Part three is that Jeff Lacy was also simply part myth. There is a contingent, mostly Calzaghe supporters, who feel a need for revisionist history for their cause. Yes, there were avid, avid Jeff Lacy fans who felt he was a god in training. Yes, to them the Calzaghe performance was life altering. However, there was a strong voice that said "just look at this kid fight" that is ignored now. I was among a significant group of people who are seemingly forgotten by history who said that Jeff Lacy didn't fight controlled enough and was waiting to be embarrassed by a slick boxer or in a war when he finds the guy he can't hurt. He had little skill. Jeff Lacy is partly ruined because what some thought of him was never really real.

    I'm not claiming to be Nostradamus with the last part, by the way. Boxing a fickle sport. If you're right just a little bit more than you're wrong then you're doing well. As much as a I doubted Lacy, I still picked him over Joe. You've got to keep in mind that Calzaghe then was basically Zsolt Erdei now. He hadn't been tested and a couple times struggled (Reid, Mitchell) against a couple lower level fighters. We didn't know he was great then.

    Anyway, Taylor isn't Calzaghe, but Lacy isn't the Lacy that fought Calzaghe either. It is going to be a somewhat similar beating. I don't think he bothers taking it for 12 rounds though. I'm going with Lacy quitting on his stool late or a corner stoppage. My only concern is that Taylor won't try to finish him since they are such good friends.
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    Part 4... his management fell in love with his power, and built his muscle mass up to the point that he lost a bunch of speed and became pretty ineffective. Take a look at this body in the Calzaghe fight compared to his first pro fight (on youtube vs. Lowe), they don't look very similar.

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      i didnt read the whole post, but i do give credit to JC for his part on completely derailing lacy's career and having a big part in ruining him. his downfall is pinpointed to that event . . .

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        #4
        Originally posted by DWiens421
        Part 4... his management fell in love with his power, and built his muscle mass up to the point that he lost a bunch of speed and became pretty ineffective. Take a look at this body in the Calzaghe fight compared to his first pro fight (on youtube vs. Lowe), they don't look very similar.
        i have to agree he became too muscle bound

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          I just don't see how the shoulder injury can be so easily dismissed as secondary. If a pure power puncher loses his power via injury, how can that be less significant than taking a beating?

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            Originally posted by jcarr71
            I just don't see how the shoulder injury can be so easily dismissed as secondary. If a pure power puncher loses his power via injury, how can that be less significant than taking a beating?
            He had that before the Manfredo fight by the way. I remember an ESPN article about his career possibly being over because he sustained such a bad shoulde injury.

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              Nah man Joe runied that dude..There aint nothing else to it..
              He was knocking mans out left right and centre and storming his way through fighters
              It was a 12 round clinic style beating he recieved the kind that ruins fighters

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                But how can you know that? I'm not saying Calzaghe didn't damage him, but he only ever had one asset and lost it in the second round of his next fight. He has shown NO POWER since that injury. All he ever had was power. If you took that away he wouldn't even have been B level, and that is what happened. That seems far more serious to me than losing badly.

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                  Originally posted by jcarr71
                  But how can you know that? I'm not saying Calzaghe didn't damage him, but he only ever had one asset and lost it in the second round of his next fight. He has shown NO POWER since that injury. All he ever had was power. If you took that away he wouldn't even have been B level, and that is what happened. That seems far more serious to me than losing badly.
                  Its not just his next fight mate that he looked bad in its the other two after that also..
                  I brought the shoulder excuse first time around but he looked flat since then.
                  Dude was struggling with Manfredo you know u got a problem when your struggling with Manfredo. These are fighters Jeff should of blew away...

                  I may be wrong but i think his ruined..
                  We shall see....

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                    Originally posted by jcarr71
                    That was an excellent beating Joe put on him. There is no doubt about that. It was the kind of beating that that could seriously alter the mentality of a fighter, kill his confidence. Yet, I don't think that is really what ended Jeff Lacy. I think it was only one of three parts.

                    The second part is the shoulder injury in the very next fight. For all of Lacy's problems, and I'll get into those in a minute, he had the nick name left hook for a reason. He carried serious, fight changing power before that injury. No matter if he was getting outboxed or plain beat up, there was the equalizer that hasn't been seen since the shoulder injury. I mean has Lacy shown any serious power in his left hook since the second round of the Tsypko fight? He dropped Manfredo with a right but didn't have the diversity of punches to pile on and get a stoppage.

                    Part three is that Jeff Lacy was also simply part myth. There is a contingent, mostly Calzaghe supporters, who feel a need for revisionist history for their cause. Yes, there were avid, avid Jeff Lacy fans who felt he was a god in training. Yes, to them the Calzaghe performance was life altering. However, there was a strong voice that said "just look at this kid fight" that is ignored now. I was among a significant group of people who are seemingly forgotten by history who said that Jeff Lacy didn't fight controlled enough and was waiting to be embarrassed by a slick boxer or in a war when he finds the guy he can't hurt. He had little skill. Jeff Lacy is partly ruined because what some thought of him was never really real.

                    I'm not claiming to be Nostradamus with the last part, by the way. Boxing a fickle sport. If you're right just a little bit more than you're wrong then you're doing well. As much as a I doubted Lacy, I still picked him over Joe. You've got to keep in mind that Calzaghe then was basically Zsolt Erdei now. He hadn't been tested and a couple times struggled (Reid, Mitchell) against a couple lower level fighters. We didn't know he was great then.

                    Anyway, Taylor isn't Calzaghe, but Lacy isn't the Lacy that fought Calzaghe either. It is going to be a somewhat similar beating. I don't think he bothers taking it for 12 rounds though. I'm going with Lacy quitting on his stool late or a corner stoppage. My only concern is that Taylor won't try to finish him since they are such good friends.
                    You were in the minorty.. or being a revisionist yourself.. Almost NO ONE picked Calzaghe.. Everyone was sure Lacy was going to destroy calzaghe inside 5 rounds.. The press, The bookies, and almost everyone on Boxing scene and ESB..

                    To prove my point.. I got 7:1 odds on Calzaghe to win a UD.. I have never in my life been given such good odds before nor do I think I will ever get those odds again.. people who picked Calazghe were considered crazy.. or blindly nationalistic Brits..

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