Who has the better resume: Wladimir Klitschko or David Haye??

[Garo]

As I said if you compare Haye and Klitschko's current records head to head then Klitschko comes out on top. But this is because Wlad has been a professional for twice as long as Haye and has had well over double the fights.

Basically, you're saying that it's unfair to compare Haye's record to Klitschko's because Klitschko has been a professional boxer twice as long, BUT, you think it's OK to compare Haye's 22 fights and achievements with Klitschko's 22 fights and achievements even though during those 22 fights, Haye was a professional boxer THREE TIMES longer than Klitschko.

In our current comparison between Haye and Klitschko, Klitschko has been a professional two times longer.
In your comparison between Haye and Klitschko, Haye has been a professional three times longer than Klitschko because you're only taking into account Klitschko's first 22 fights and his first 2 years of professional boxing.

I repeat myself, so you can understand. You're saying we shouldn't compare Wlad's 12 year resume with Haye's 6 year resume because it's unfair, instead let's compare Haye's 6 year resume to Wlad's 2 year resume. That's a lot more fair.

So who is being unfair now?



Edit: To be more fair for you, I compared Wlad's 2 years to Haye's 2 years and also Wlad's first 6 years to Haye's entire 6 years in an earlier post.

Even with that partially unfair [to Wlad] comparison, Wlad still had to the better resume in both scenarios.

P.s. I'm going to work - hate these night shifts. Will discuss when I get back, should you have anything more to say after all I just wrote.

[bsrizpac]

Why do you have 102 posts?

Lol you are such a Brit nuthugging ***** that you probably think the answer is Haye.

****ing. Loser.

[revs1227]

how could u possible pick haye?? its like ali vs ...willy gibbs

[squealpiggy]

You misunderstand, I never said that the number of fights should be disregarded, as a matter of fact, you're the one disregarded over half of Klitschko's latter fights when you made your comparison. What I actually said was; other aspects, such as the number of a years that a fighter has been fighting should also be taken into account, which you also disregarded besides your mention of Klitschko being a proffesional twice as long as Haye.

The only thing you took into account when comparing Haye and Klitschko was Haye's complete professional record of 22 fights and what Haye achieved in those 6 years and Klitschko's first 22 fights and what Klitschko had achieved in his first 2 years of boxing. That's it.

No, I said that Wlad's resume is better but that is BECAUSE Wlad has had over twice the fights and twice the years. It's an unfair comparison. If you really want to compare it then you could compare, for example, the number of fights. Here's another comparison:

Achievements in first five years as a professional

Wladimir
37-1-0
Won WBO Heavyweight title and defended twice
Won WBA Inter COntinental
Won European title
Won WBC International
Lost by TKO to Ross Puritty (24-13-1)

David
22-1-0
Won WBA / WBC Cruiser title
Unified WBA, WBC and WBO titles
Won European Cruiserweight title
Won British title (after 7 fights)
Lost by TKO to Carl Thompson (32-6-0)

So Wladimir had more fights, won a couple of intercontinental straps and the European title, won one version of the heavyweight title, while suffering a loss against a journeyman. Haye won half the belts, unified in his next bout and won the European and British titles with ten fewer fights.

That's comparing comparisons between them in time fought.

What I'm really saying is that Haye right now has the potential (at least on paper) to far outshine Wladimir's record if he were to have another 20 fights or so.

Whether he has the real ability is anybody's guess and my guess is that he doesn't. But you're comparing a guy who has been pro for five years and has had 22 fights with a guy who has been pro for 11 years and has had 54 fights.

Even making the comparison is silly.

[squealpiggy]

Edit: To be more fair for you, I compared Wlad's 2 years to Haye's 2 years and also Wlad's first 6 years to Haye's entire 6 years in an earlier post.

Even with that partially unfair [to Wlad] comparison, Wlad still had to the better resume in both scenarios.

Wlad's first six years resulted in him winning the WBO title and defending it twice, whereas Haye won the WBA and WBC then unified with the WBO in the next fight before moving up to heavyweight. Haye has taken it more slowly but whichever way you turn it Wladimir has been a professional for far longer and has had far more fights so it's an unfair comparison to make.

[_Hunter_]

David Haye of course

[Da Hammer]

Okay im one of those that thinks that Wlad would destroy Haye but seriously your comparing the resume of a long champion against someone who is debuting in the Heavyweight division??? and looking at Wlad's resume damn im just reminded once again how much garbage the heavyweight division has been for the ****in longest time now! Not Wlad Klitchko's fault im not knockin him but im knockin this pathetic era of heavyweight boxing!

[Derranged]

Once again, you talk about Haye beating an old shot Barret, but meanwhile you consider an old shot Mercer as a noteworthy opponent on Wlad's resume.....