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You gota admit he dont in for the kill anymore. Really seems like he worries about his opponents getting hurt. -
I will admit he doesn't have the greatest Resume of all time, but skill wise he has to be one of the greatest ever.
There won't be another Rjj!Comment
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True boxing fans know that the resume is alot better than most would think.. My 1st post explains it all.. It was complete dominance, not even close fights until end of career.Originally posted by Dorian View PostComment
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Roy's left testicle is about to explode... Please let go..Originally posted by robjr View Post
Does Roy care about his opponets getting hurt? Sure... Especially if they're named Tito... But when it comes to real threats like Hopkins, Calzaghe, Dawson... I doubt it..Comment
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Roy Jones Jr. could have done more but so could a lot of other fighters.
Many things to discuss about Jones jr. why he didn't do certain things including why he didn't take out opponent when he obviously could have.
No doubt in my mind that the muscle-weight loss at his age destroyed his body. It hurt Chris Byrd, it hurt Tarver, and it hurt him...as well as many others through history.
Anwyay, I've always found this interesting:
WHY ROY JONES, JR?
KD -- Some of the questions put forward by the CBZ scholars come to mind at this point.They’ve sent them to me by e-mail and I’ve printed them out and have them here. May I run a few by you?
HG -- Well, I’ll see what I can do, sure.
KD -- A couple of years ago you published your own greatest pound-for-pound list in International Boxing digest. You had Roy Jones Jr. at the top of your list. You’ve received much criticism from historians and others—typically older folks—What about Jones’ abilities and accomplishments prompted you to make such a bold statement? And how do you compare greatness in boxers? And would you still put Jones up at the top?
HG -- OK. My ranking of Jones in such a dramatic fashion, had to do not with his accomplishments but simply with his skills. He has more and greater skills than any fighter I’ve ever seen in my life. The way he can hook and go immediately to a straight punch, the way he can fire shots from all angles, his domination of every opponent he faces. I’ve never seen a comparable fighter in my life. I went out on a limb in making that pronouncement at that time. I don’t think I was that overboard. Now it’s true that Mr. Jones’ accomplishments in terms of being in great fights, in terms of being a super-star of his period do not begin to equal his skills. That’s the down side. Of course to make great fights it takes two to tango and Mr. Jones is so far above his competition that there are no great fights out there for him, certainly within his own weight classes. Now in terms of looking at the careers of certain fighters, certainly there are a number of men who outshone him in that respect. But I still maintain that Mr. Jones is the most skilfull, is the most over-powering man, pound-for-pound, in the history of boxing. I don’t think even Sugar Ray Robinson was as dominant over his opposition as Roy Jones has been. That takes nothing away from Sugar Ray. But I have never seen a phenomenon like Roy Jones. Of course Roy Jones knows it, too. He knows what he wants, what he doesn’t want. He’s a star. He won’t fight here. He will fight only here. He’s his own promoter, more or less. So he’s certainly not everyones’ ideal of what a fighter should be. But in terms of skills I think he’s the greatest."
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/w42x-kd.htm
THE SCHOLAR CONSIDERS:
An Interview With Boxing Historian Herbert G. Goldman
In which the expert insists that the average modern boxer whips the tar out of the average old-timer, and provides reasoned arguments on other interesting questions.
By Katherine Dunn
continued:
SOME OF THE BEST MODERNS
KD -- We discussed your controversial stance that Roy Jones Jr is one of the greatest boxers of all time. Would you care to mention any other of today’s fighters who you consider to be among the best?
HG -- .
Fighters of today develop tremendous reflexes, they learn to punch from all angles. This is the new style. It’s replaced even the Muhammad Ali move-and-jab style. It’s not just Hamed, it’s the same basic style you see from Roy Jones, Jr. –shooting these punches from nowhere. The way Roy Jones can turn a straight jab into a hook is something I’ve never seen any fighter do. When I was watching boxing as a kid I used to imagine fighters who could do that, but I never saw anybody do it until I saw Roy Jones. I think that’s part of my fascination with the man. This is a new development. By the way, one fighter of the old days who really, to a large extent, fought like that, was Jimmy Wild, the greatest flyweight of all time. I mean traditionally regarded as such, a Welshman active from 1911 to 1923.
Oh Floyd Mayweather, Jr. My god! Ability like nobody’s business.
Last edited by Benny Leonard; 04-03-2009, 03:56 PM.Comment
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great postComment
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see this is why i love the guy, his skill is p4p the best SO FAR EVEROriginally posted by Benny Leonard View PostRoy Jones Jr. could have done more but so could a lot of other fighters.
Many things to discuss about Jones jr. why he didn't do certain things including why he didn't take out opponent when he obviously could have.
No doubt in my mind that the muscle-weight loss at his age destroyed his body. It hurt Chris Byrd, it hurt Tarver, and it hurt him...as well as many others through history.
Anwyay, I've always found this interesting:
WHY ROY JONES, JR?
KD -- Some of the questions put forward by the CBZ scholars come to mind at this point.They’ve sent them to me by e-mail and I’ve printed them out and have them here. May I run a few by you?
HG -- Well, I’ll see what I can do, sure.
KD -- A couple of years ago you published your own greatest pound-for-pound list in International Boxing digest. You had Roy Jones Jr. at the top of your list. You’ve received much criticism from historians and others—typically older folks—What about Jones’ abilities and accomplishments prompted you to make such a bold statement? And how do you compare greatness in boxers? And would you still put Jones up at the top?
HG -- OK. My ranking of Jones in such a dramatic fashion, had to do not with his accomplishments but simply with his skills. He has more and greater skills than any fighter I’ve ever seen in my life. The way he can hook and go immediately to a straight punch, the way he can fire shots from all angles, his domination of every opponent he faces. I’ve never seen a comparable fighter in my life. I went out on a limb in making that pronouncement at that time. I don’t think I was that overboard. Now it’s true that Mr. Jones’ accomplishments in terms of being in great fights, in terms of being a super-star of his period do not begin to equal his skills. That’s the down side. Of course to make great fights it takes two to tango and Mr. Jones is so far above his competition that there are no great fights out there for him, certainly within his own weight classes. Now in terms of looking at the careers of certain fighters, certainly there are a number of men who outshone him in that respect. But I still maintain that Mr. Jones is the most skilfull, is the most over-powering man, pound-for-pound, in the history of boxing. I don’t think even Sugar Ray Robinson was as dominant over his opposition as Roy Jones has been. That takes nothing away from Sugar Ray. But I have never seen a phenomenon like Roy Jones. Of course Roy Jones knows it, too. He knows what he wants, what he doesn’t want. He’s a star. He won’t fight here. He will fight only here. He’s his own promoter, more or less. So he’s certainly not everyones’ ideal of what a fighter should be. But in terms of skills I think he’s the greatest."
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/w42x-kd.htm
THE SCHOLAR CONSIDERS:
An Interview With Boxing Historian Herbert G. Goldman
In which the expert insists that the average modern boxer whips the tar out of the average old-timer, and provides reasoned arguments on other interesting questions.
By Katherine Dunn
continued:
SOME OF THE BEST MODERNS
KD -- We discussed your controversial stance that Roy Jones Jr is one of the greatest boxers of all time. Would you care to mention any other of today’s fighters who you consider to be among the best?
HG -- .
Fighters of today develop tremendous reflexes, they learn to punch from all angles. This is the new style. It’s replaced even the Muhammad Ali move-and-jab style. It’s not just Hamed, it’s the same basic style you see from Roy Jones, Jr. –shooting these punches from nowhere. The way Roy Jones can turn a straight jab into a hook is something I’ve never seen any fighter do. When I was watching boxing as a kid I used to imagine fighters who could do that, but I never saw anybody do it until I saw Roy Jones. I think that’s part of my fascination with the man. This is a new development. By the way, one fighter of the old days who really, to a large extent, fought like that, was Jimmy Wild, the greatest flyweight of all time. I mean traditionally regarded as such, a Welshman active from 1911 to 1923.
Oh Floyd Mayweather, Jr. My god! Ability like nobody’s business.Comment
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tremendous athlete, undoubtedly had some of the greatest skills of all time but his resume is the only thing stopping him from being a top 10-15 ATGComment
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Roy Jones needs to stop ducking Hopkins in a rematch.
Both should have a farewell bout and just retire.Comment
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