HBO criticisms..

[ellwise69]

Jim Watt's where it's at!!

[Pullcounter]

dont you fools know that HBO spoon-fed rjj to calzaghe so that calzaghe could become their next HBO superstar? but instead of taking the mantle, calzaghe decided to retire... good riddance, dont come back and take your fans with you.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Kellerman is a wank. But the OP's hysteria is a fuckin' scream.

WTF you want from him Max, blood?

No legs. No reflexes. No chance.

That was the sad state old Roy Jones, Jr. found himself in last night at Madison Square Garden. The things that had for so many years made him unbeatable had deserted him, as they do all men with time, and all that was left was a technically flawed stationary target for Joe Calzaghe to stab and punch at for 12 rounds.

Is that really a fair un biased fair piece on the front page of a tv networks front page for Boxing? Any network certainly in the UK would not write something like this, but merely the facts, what happened with at most a smal piece of opinion. But HBO seems rife with bias and too many opinions and motives.

Yes, it's 100% fair. Worded for dramatic effect (HBO is an entertainment company), but essentially truth. And anybody who wasn't wishful or clueless knew the fight would look like that.

Kris, your attempts to portray Roy '08 as anything like a live threat to Joe are pitiful. You now have the benefit of hindsight others didn't require, so go watch the fight. It's the most cavalier and sloppy Joe you'll ever see, because he has zero respect for the 'danger' in front of him.

Think about it.

Roy Jones Jr. is stood in front of you and you have zero respect for what he might do to you.

That says it all.



I understand why Joe took the fight, and I don't blame him. It was an entertaining spectacle, too. But this lame argument about Roy's degeneration being exaggerated is utter bull****.


Thanks for the funny thread, though. Much obliged.

[krispy kreme]

The commentary is definitely beginning to suck.

[Kris Silver]

Kellerman is a wank. But the OP's hysteria is a fuckin' scream.

WTF you want from him Max, blood?



Yes, it's 100% fair. Worded for dramatic effect (HBO is an entertainment company), but essentially truth. And anybody who wasn't wishful or clueless knew the fight would look like that.

Kris, your attempts to portray Roy '08 as anything like a live threat to Joe are pitiful. You now have the benefit of hindsight others didn't require, so go watch the fight. It's the most cavalier and sloppy Joe you'll ever see, because he has zero respect for the 'danger' in front of him.

Think about it.

Roy Jones Jr. is stood in front of you and you have zero respect for what he might do to you.

That says it all.

I understand why Joe took the fight, and I don't blame him. It was an entertaining spectacle, too. But this lame argument about Roy's degeneration being exaggerated is utter bull****.

Thanks for the funny thread, though. Much obliged.

Dude what is your problem, seriously. Who do you actually think you are, some kind of statesmen that permits threads and posts?

There's plenty of threads like this on the boards assessing commentary, in fact The Bringer submitted one recently. If you don't have such a passion for the sport to post and discuss actual boxing happenings in the sport, don't have any facts, info and insights of your own, then there's no point posting in such a thread.

Pointless bumps sir, can see straight through you. You don't like, don't post. Then post something you do like are interested in, have some info on. Pretty simple concept.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Dude what is your problem, seriously. Who do you actually think you are, some kind of statesmen that permits threads and posts?

Yeah, 'dude', that's exactly who I am. Grrrrrr!

Guess what else? I'm also Keyser Soze and I'm coming to get you. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!



You believe yourself a bringer of insight? Holy crap.

You are correct, I don't have a borderline-psychotic passion for defending Joe Calzaghe from the wicked spin of evil, nasty entertainment corporations.


Guess what else? The_Bringer doesn't pretentiously butcher the language and ramble aimlessly like a motherfucker.

That's why he doesn't suck ass, and you do.




From reading your posts, it's easy to imagine that The Sun is your boxing bible. Facts? Info? Why, I'm sure you're a veritable mine of copied and pasted links and boxrec research.

But let's not talk about insight. Cheers.

[BattlingNelson]

I saw the fight with danish commentary which probably was worse. I did see the post fight interviews and agree that they where somewhat disrespectful towards Joe. I just thought that it was HBO. A yank broadcaster and their star was RJJ and not JoeC. I do think they could have handled it better and I wish back the old times with Gil Clancy or Alex Wallau holding the mikes.

[ßringer]

Nice thread KrisSilver.

To be honest : HBO's commentary crew has never really been an exceptional one. HBO is primarily in the Entertainment business, and I think their selection of broadcasters displays this. Guys like Lampley and Merchant are old school sports veterans, with iconic voices, who are known to occasionally have a funny quip or two which will keep the viewer entertained.

Honestly, I like Lampley and Merchant. I wouldn't want anybody else calling fights on HBO. Perhaps it's nostalgia, but I grew up listening to them and I immediately identify with them, and associate their voices with boxing commentary.

But over the past few years I've noticed a steep decline in the commentary department : It's at it's worst right now, with Kellerman being given more and more major assignments while they strongarm Merchant out of his job. But let's not forget they've also had George Foreman and Lennox Lewis on the crew.

Foreman was easily one of, if not the most moronic commentators I ever heard. If you weren't a one dimensional slugger, he gave you 0 respect. Lewis was almost as bad, though in a different way. He seems to want to talk about his carer more than the guys in the ring's careers.

Steward is what I call a "fencer". He's always on the side of whichever guy is looking good in the moment, and he switches sides constantly throughout a fight, before ultimately letting us all know that "I knew this was gonna happen".....

But while the decline in value for commentary on HBO has been something that is literally years in the making, I think with Kellerman onboard, I've noticed a much sharper turn for the worst.

He's an overly analytical, bug-eyed, fanboy who absolutely cannot help but use HBO's microphones ot further his own agenda.

But what can you honestly expect from a company like HBO? They're Entertainers, not sports Professionals. Sure, they cater to the sports crowd, what with boxing, sports documentaries, "Real Sports" and other such programs. But at the end of the day (if I may steal a quote from your boy Calzaghe ) they're in the Entertainment business.

I just wish it weren't so.

(I apologize for the long post, but the decline in commentary value on HBO has been an issue years in the making.)

[Kris Silver]

Nice thread KrisSilver.

To be honest : HBO's commentary crew has never really been an exceptional one. HBO is primarily in the Entertainment business, and I think their selection of broadcasters displays this. Guys like Lampley and Merchant are old school sports veterans, with iconic voices, who are known to occasionally have a funny quip or two which will keep the viewer entertained.

Honestly, I like Lampley and Merchant. I wouldn't want anybody else calling fights on HBO. Perhaps it's nostalgia, but I grew up listening to them and I immediately identify with them, and associate their voices with boxing commentary.

But over the past few years I've noticed a steep decline in the commentary department : It's at it's worst right now, with Kellerman being given more and more major assignments while they strongarm Merchant out of his job. But let's not forget they've also had George Foreman and Lennox Lewis on the crew.

Foreman was easily one of, if not the most moronic commentators I ever heard. If you weren't a one dimensional slugger, he gave you 0 respect. Lewis was almost as bad, though in a different way. He seems to want to talk about his carer more than the guys in the ring's careers.

Steward is what I call a "fencer". He's always on the side of whichever guy is looking good in the moment, and he switches sides constantly throughout a fight, before ultimately letting us all know that "I knew this was gonna happen".....

But while the decline in value for commentary on HBO has been something that is literally years in the making, I think with Kellerman onboard, I've noticed a much sharper turn for the worst.

He's an overly analytical, bug-eyed, fanboy who absolutely cannot help but use HBO's microphones ot further his own agenda.

But what can you honestly expect from a company like HBO? They're Entertainers, not sports Professionals. Sure, they cater to the sports crowd, what with boxing, sports documentaries, "Real Sports" and other such programs. But at the end of the day (if I may steal a quote from your boy Calzaghe ) they're in the Entertainment business.

I just wish it weren't so.

(I apologize for the long post, but the decline in commentary value on HBO has been an issue years in the making.)

Cheers for the comments pal, and nice post. I've read your threads and posts on this area numerous times and agree whole heartedly not to mention respect the comments as a real passionate fan of the sport, whom cares what's happening to it over time. The characters on the broadcasts, the commentating, general presenting, info, quips are all part and part of selling the good sport of boxing. I just do not feel Kellermen in particular is doing it the unbiased professionalism it deserves.

To be honest most others are tolerable, I don't mind any of them really anywhere near as much. I've highlighted some silly comments of Lampley and Stewards but they aren't anywhere near as bad as Kellermen, and don't have such sly biased agenda's. So I can take some entertainmenty stuff and I accept the varying styles of different networks to an extent, but blatant dis information, un professionalism, contradictions and biased rants on a professional broadcast is just too much to tolerate, we deserve better. The moment you give it a bye is the moment it does get worse because you don't care, hence its been and is getting worse.

I think your right, Kellermen has been a big part in condoning a style, and building a tolerance to mis information and blatant biased and snide remarks, often irrelevent quips, rather than the previous moe solid info. This means others get away with it more, unfortunately. The thing is, HBO are putting on more PPV's but aren't necessarily bringing in more fans of the sport and even losing some buyers imo, at a time when more should be brought on board to a very decent all round professional sport.

The result is a much less unbiased, professional, on point informative impartial broadcast, and imo, less knowledgeable fans, and generally less fans of the sport. It's a whole package and this is letting it down, I know a few people whom avoid certain commentators even networks now, and that's a terrible state of affairs in the professional media. We should be able to rely on broadcasting a lot more and a few are letting the game down. Some networks are going to have to realise a lot of viewers demand high quality commentating and broadcasts and won't be ripped off, especially in the present times.

[PittyPat]

"Listeeen, at the end of the day"...

... Kellerman is still a dodgy-eyed owl who needs to stop hooting his own views from the treetops all the time. Oh, and he really should avoid saying Chad Dawson's name in the future... his drawl when he says is excrutiatingly annoying, like "Dwaaaaahrson".