Did Joe Calzaghe damage Joe Calzaghe's legacy?

[Ray*]

Warren has a record of demanding to much for his good fighters, he doesn't get the deals because he wants to milk the most out of a deal and US promoters hate dealing with him.

Hatton and Calzaghe both had to ditch hom to get big fights in the states and you will see that repeated over the next few years when all the good Uk amatures turn pro, hopefully at least a couple will sign with Maloney rather than Warren.

Nope they will all sign for Warren, This guy knows how to make them millionaire fighting against bums in a caravan.....If you're an aspiring boxer who is just in it for the money warren is the best promoter for you in this world...

[MANGLER]

He stepped his own game up toward the end of his career which is respectable. He owned the younger guys like Kessler and Lacy. The Hopkins fight was dull and disputed, but he got that win and followed by takin down Roy who looked better than he had in years. His res would look better if he'd faced B-Hop and Roy years back but he should still get cred for it.

[Pullcounter]

I'm not a Calzaghe hater. Anyone that's seen my posts about him knows that I've been very impressed since the Lacy fight. I just can't shake that Calzaghe didn't beat Hopkins or Jones until they were well past their primes. It's like seeing Kobe and the Lakers dismantle Michael Jordan and the Wizards. Impressive, um, I guess, but it just didn't feel the same because MJ was so far out of his prime. I'm not trying to disregard the biggest wins of Calzaghe's career, I just think that if he thought he could perform that well against Hopkins and Jones in their primes, he should have fought them years ago. I want my money back.

obviously calzaghe waited until rjj and bhop looked vulnerable to seriously make fights with them.

warren may have had something to do with it too, but its truly sad that calzaghe doesn't get full credit because he didn't bother to fight these guys in their primes.

[Wiley Hyena]

There are no excuses for Roy. He was magnificent in his recent fight against Trinidad. He was ready for Joe C. And, who really dodged who "back in their primes?" There is much evidence to conclude that Roy could have made that fight...if he had wanted to.

There are no excuses for Roy. He was beaten and beaten soundly. Calzaghe was always the man to beat....and nobody ever has. Calzaghe is going to the Hall of Fame is will be considered one of the best that ever lived, whether you like it or not.

[MetalVomit]

There are no excuses for Roy. He was beaten and beaten soundly.

this much is true

[MetalVomit]

I don't even know why I paid for the fight. I'm gonna stop wasting money on disappointing PPV's. I think I'm passing on DLH vs. Pac as well.

Yeah, that was a very lackluster fight, I'd like to say I won't buy dlh/pac, but I know I'll end up doing it.

[MetalVomit]

He was magnificent in his recent fight against Trinidad.

He was effective, I don't know about "magnificent". Any boxer with mobility would look great against Tito these days.

Trinidad took the jones fight for the paycheck, and judging from roy's performance against JC on saturday, it seems he only showed up for the money as well.

[letsgobrady]

I'm not a Calzaghe hater. Anyone that's seen my posts about him knows that I've been very impressed since the Lacy fight. I just can't shake that Calzaghe didn't beat Hopkins or Jones until they were well past their primes. It's like seeing Kobe and the Lakers dismantle Michael Jordan and the Wizards. Impressive, um, I guess, but it just didn't feel the same because MJ was so far out of his prime. I'm not trying to disregard the biggest wins of Calzaghe's career, I just think that if he thought he could perform that well against Hopkins and Jones in their primes, he should have fought them years ago. I want my money back.

when exactly was hopkins prime? when he lost to jones?
you should have a problem with jones and hopkins as they were the reason for the fights not happening

[!! Mr. Soprano]

The question is: Does Hopkins lose to the Hopkins from 10 years ago?

I honestly don't think so...

[neils7147933]

You guys are acting like Calzaghe's in his late twenties. He is a contemporary of B-Hop and Roy. He called this is last fight - he has 45 fights already. If Roy had won, would people be saying Joe was past his prime? JUY JUY had said Joe C was past it two years ago on this board...