Who is #1 P4P??

[CiganoBoxer]

Joe Calzaghe. But Americans will never recognize him as such.

agreed

[WhoreUs]

Joe Calzaghe. But Americans will never recognize him as such.

manny pacquiao is not american.

2 wins over shot morales > 1 win over shot jones

2 wins over past prime barrera > 1 win over past prime hopkins

wins over titlists and former titlists like sasakul , ledwaba , larios , etc. > wins over reid , eubank , kessler , mitchell , etc.

and that's not even mentioning going 1-0-1 against marquez since some dispute the marquez fights.

[WhoreUs]

Is beating Casamayor better than beating Hopkins?

no but......

beating barrera = beating hopkins

beating casamayor > beating roy jones

one could argue juanma beat pacquiao too...... joey has nothing that equals that.

[$partacus]

no but......

beating barrera = beating hopkins

beating casamayor > beating roy jones

one could argue juanma beat pacquiao too...... joey has nothing that equals that.

lol i can do that too

beating barrera = beating hopkins

beating Kessler > beating Casamayor

[sparked_85]

If Pacman even see's out 12 rounds with Oscar I'll still have him number 1.

If Oscar wins as he should since he would be able to pick up Pacman and carry him around in his wallet. Then there is no choice but to put Calzaghe him number 1.

I'm a huge Calzaghe fan but I do believe JMM is a better fighter, but rightly or wrongly he was giving an 'L' against pacman. It can't be JMM

[WhoreUs]

lol i can do that too

beating barrera = beating hopkins

beating Kessler > beating Casamayor

1st part is fine.

but kessler over casamayor? come on now. i know you don't believe that.

[WhoreUs]

If Pacman even see's out 12 rounds with Oscar I'll still have him number 1.

If Oscar wins as he should since he would be able to pick up Pacman and carry him around in his wallet. Then there is no choice but to put Calzaghe him number 1.

I'm a huge Calzaghe fan but I do believe JMM is a better fighter, but rightly or wrongly he was giving an 'L' against pacman. It can't be JMM

calzaghe will be #1 at the end of the year.

jmm lost to pac , controversial or not.

pac lost to odlh , size difference or not.

you can't keep 2 guys with an L this year over a guy who is undefeated his WHOLE career.

[$partacus]

1st part is fine.

but kessler over casamayor? come on now. i know you don't believe that.

Casamayor was shot you said so on the first page, a prime Kessler is better than a shot Casamayor

[BHONN]

manny pacquiao is not american.

2 wins over shot morales > 1 win over shot jones

2 wins over past prime barrera > 1 win over past prime hopkins

wins over titlists and former titlists like sasakul , ledwaba , larios , etc. > wins over reid , eubank , kessler , mitchell , etc.

and that's not even mentioning going 1-0-1 against marquez since some dispute the marquez fights.

You mean to say the 1st bout with Barrera he was already a past prime?

[WhoreUs]

Casamayor was shot you said so on the first page, a prime Kessler is better than a shot Casamayor

shot or not casa was still #1 at 135 and was still the ring champion.

kessler at the time was #2 at best at 168 and was just a ABC champion not ring.

joe's greatness comes from his long reign at 168 and his undefeated record.

the win over a past prime but still top level hopkins adds a lot to it but a win over roy while a good name win only adds a little.

joe will be judged by boxing historians more on his undefeated reign at 168 and record rather than his win over roy.