American boxing supremacists are an embarrasment.

[ßringer]

they're kinda similar.

as far as resume that's why.

they both dominated divisions that were considered weak at the time.

Truth, but with Wlad you're talking about a technically sound fighter who is textbook in his approach and damn near unbeatable.

Calzaghe most often looks like an Amateur throwing windmill slaps, and that's what turned me off to him in the first place.

That and I thought he got a gift decision against Robin Reid.

[The Hammer]

they're kinda similar.

as far as resume that's why.

they both dominated divisions that were considered weak at the time.

If a European fighter dominates a division, then the division must be weak, because a fighter needs to be born in the US and be black or else he's not really good?

That's what a lot of people here seem to believe.

[ßringer]

If a European fighter dominates a division, then the division must be weak, because a fighter needs to be born in the US and be black or else he's not really good?

That's what a lot of people here seem to believe.

I'm still waiting for you to back up the bull**** you just spat my way a few posts back about Klitschko.

[W1LL]

It has nothing to do with dislike. I can cast my dislike of a fighter (or anybody for that matter) aside when talking in real terms about a certain person's accomplishments. I'm able to do the same with Joe Calzaghe, he's accomplished some great things with his dtitle defense record and his ability to use (in my opinion) such a ****ty style to his advantage in the ring.

That said, his record is lacking and he doesn't have my respect in that department. And that's why I dislike him, because he pissed away his prime fighting the likes of Mger Mkrchian or whatever the hell his last name is.

How is it a ****ty style if it clearly wins fights? Do you realize how effective it is? John Ruiz has a ****ty style. So does Ricky Hatton. Calzaghes style is awkward, unique, but still, if it helps him to win fights clearly and taking little damage, in my opinion that is not a ****ty style.

Every good fighter has a large number of fall guys on their record, it's just the way boxing works. You can go through anyones record and pick out these fights. There are well known reasons as to why the big fights never happened for Calzaghe in his prime, not many of them his fault, but you guys won't acknowledge that.

[WhoreUs]

If a European fighter dominates a division, then the division must be weak, because a fighter needs to be born in the US and be black or else he's not really good?

That's what a lot of people here seem to believe.

it's not that simple tunney.

when lennox dominated it wasn't considered weak. not the greatest but not weak either. lennox is european.

besides look at who wlad and vitali has beat up on. byrd , thompson , brock , shufford , brewster , donald , mercer , mccline......

they're americans.

so if the division is called weak......then they're calling their own american fighters weak.

[βetamax]

Most American's wouldn't argue that Calzaghe isn't a great fighter. It's generally only when there is wreckless talk about the quality of his wins from overzealous Calzaghe fans do Americans and other boxing fans alike feel the need to step in and bring things back down to reality.

[CaRnAgEViOLaToR]

i think calzgahe is a great fighter

but he makes fights look ugly with his amateurish style with slaps and i hate to watch him.

his win over jones is decent but glen johnons and tarver did it more impressively, YEARS ago without getting put on their assg

[ßringer]

How is it a ****ty style if it clearly wins fights? Do you realize how effective it is? John Ruiz has a ****ty style. So does Ricky Hatton. Calzaghes style is awkward, unique, but still, if it helps him to win fights clearly and taking little damage, in my opinion that is not a ****ty style.

Every good fighter has a large number of fall guys on their record, it's just the way boxing works. You can go through anyones record and pick out these fights. There are well known reasons as to why the big fights never happened for Calzaghe in his prime, not many of them his fault, but you guys won't acknowledge that.

I'm not saying it's a fact his style is ****, it's my opinion. Am I not entitled to an opinion, or does being a "American boxing supremacist" void that right?

I personally don't like his style, I've never once said it doesn't work well for him. I just don't find it aesthetically pleasing to watch. The same way I never found Roy Jones' style fun to watch, or Floyd Mayweather's.

As for the big fights, Joe could've easily ****canned Frank Warren after the Lacy fight, and bought his contract out from under him. He certainly had the money to do so, and after the beating he gave Lacy he had no problem with name recognition in America.

But instead he decided to stick with Warren and fight Sakio Bika and "the great American star" Peter Manfredo. Twist that however you want it but fact is fact.

The same way it's a fact that during their primes, Hopkins and Jones hadn't even heard of Calzaghe.

[sparked_85]

Calzaghe is great.

What the Roy Jones knocked down. Like Steve Bunce said Joe actually looked 'out'.....he picked himself up of the floor and pretty much outclassed Roy Jones for the rest of the fight. I understand a faded Roy Jones but the way Joe is not a puncher anymore and Roy has the handspeed, but Joe toyed with him.

Knocking him out with a bingo punch like Tarver did was hardly as impressive, Johnson did a number on Jones but it wasn't as impressive, Roy looked disinterested.

It was a good win for Joe.

[mojack]

So long as we're just generalizing here........

Why can't you Brits accept the fact that we just don't like Calzaghe? You know, the way you guys just don't like Mayweather?

Everything about Calzaghe is an embarassment to the sport in my eyes. His awkward fighting style and piss-poor balance, the way he slaps rather than punches, and his piss poor record minus Hopkins, Kessler, and now a 5 year past prime Roy.

It's not an anti-Euro thing, it's an anti-Calzaghe thing. Deal with it.

I love Lennox Lewis and rate him in my top 10 Heavyweight list of "All Time Greats", and I follow Wladimir Klitschko's every move because I love watching him fight.

I'm not anti-Brit, I'm anti-Calzaghe.

Just fucking deal with it.

Put your dummy back in, and for the record Calzaghe is no spring chicken or in his prime either.

So just fucking deal with it.