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[!! Shawn]

No he didn't he was throwing one shot at a time and those one shots came few and far between

It wasn't just Jones not being able to get off, it was the little things in there that he just can't do anymore.

His speed slowed perceptibly as the fight went on, he got very predictable as well, right hand leads was his only good punch as the fight went on and I believe he was having trouble letting his hands go, as we saw early in the fight, Calzaghe had trouble with Jones' speed which dropped off as the fight went on.

And Jones didn't block that effectively as the fight went on, Calzaghe was landing a lot of shot on Jones, both to the body and head.

I'm not trying to discredit Calzaghe's victory but it is what it is, Jones is nowhere near what he once was and I can't see him beating any of the top guys at 175 right now, it's time for a once great fighter to retire, no reason in going on and getting hurt.

Im sorry, but I can't let such miss-information go uncorrected.

Jones vs Trinidad - Calzaghe:

1st:
7/24 - 9/34

2nd:
14/56 - 8/34

3rd:
12/36 - 16/42

4th:
16/41 - 11/45

5th:
10/41 - 18/42

6th:
16/38 - 14/35

7th:
19/37 - 22/41

8th:
16/46 - 16/38

9th:
16/41 - 14/41

10th:
12/31 - 14/52

11th:
18/46 - 7/35

12th:
16/45 - 10/36

Once again, Roy Jones threw the same amount of punches that Roy Jones always throws. Were the combinations there? No. Has Roy Jones ever thrown combinations when he has not been in complete control of a fight? No.

People forget how Roy fights, yourself included. You attribute attributes to him that he never had, such as a killer instinct, and lots of combinations.

He is a safety first fighter, always has, always will be. If he does not feel it is safe to uncork a combination, he will not uncork a combination. He has always been a one shot at a time, only throw a combination when it will make you look bad kind of fighter.

Roy's offense simply was not sufficient to sequester Calzaghe's work rate. Same as with Hopkins.

The simple fact of the matter is that he was in there with an incredibly talented, incredibly durable fighter in Joe Calzaghe.

If he was in there with Chad Dawson he would have won. If he was in there with Bernard Hopkins, he would have won. The fact of the matter is that he was in there with perhaps the best p4p fighter on the planet, and he lost.

Is Roy the same fighter he was when he was 25? Of course he isn't. He is 40 years old, he has some physical limitations. His stamina will never be what it is when he was younger. He will never be able to win a fight that comes down to work rate with a fighter with hand speed like Joe Calzaghe, just like Bernard never will be able to win that kind of fight any more.

[Crazylegs77]

You just don't have it anymore...

We'll miss you Roy...

Good fight Joe.

Seriously after the 1st round I was on the edge of my seat but Joe took over and went ****house on Roy

[Silencers]

Im sorry, but I can't let such miss-information go uncorrected.

Jones vs Trinidad - Calzaghe:

1st:
7/24 - 9/34

2nd:
14/56 - 8/34

3rd:
12/36 - 16/42

4th:
16/41 - 11/45

5th:
10/41 - 18/42

6th:
16/38 - 14/35

7th:
19/37 - 22/41

8th:
16/46 - 16/38

9th:
16/41 - 14/41

10th:
12/31 - 14/52

11th:
18/46 - 7/35

12th:
16/45 - 10/36

Once again, Roy Jones threw the same amount of punches that Roy Jones always throws. Were the combinations there? No. Has Roy Jones ever thrown combinations when he has not been in complete control of a fight? No.

People forget how Roy fights, yourself included. You attribute attributes to him that he never had, such as a killer instinct, and lots of combinations.

He is a safety first fighter, always has, always will be. If he does not feel it is safe to uncork a combination, he will not uncork a combination. He has always been a one shot at a time, only throw a combination when it will make you look bad kind of fighter.

Roy's offense simply was not sufficient to sequester Calzaghe's work rate. Same as with Hopkins.

The simple fact of the matter is that he was in there with an incredibly talented, incredibly durable fighter in Joe Calzaghe.

If he was in there with Chad Dawson he would have won. If he was in there with Bernard Hopkins, he would have won. The fact of the matter is that he was in there with perhaps the best p4p fighter on the planet, and he lost.

Is Roy the same fighter he was when he was 25? Of course he isn't. He is 40 years old, he has some physical limitations. His stamina will never be what it is when he was younger. He will never be able to win a fight that comes down to work rate with a fighter with hand speed like Joe Calzaghe, just like Bernard never will be able to win that kind of fight any more.

I know how Jones fights and he was trying to fight the way he fights, he could partly because of Calzaghe but also partly because of his age, it's time for him to retire, I've seen way too many fighters fight too long and end up getting hurt, I don't want to see it happen to Jones, he's done, there's no reason to fight on unless he needs the money.

And I disagree, the Roy Jones we saw would have lost against most of the top guys at 175, Dawson and Hopkins included.

[!! Shawn]

I know how Jones fights and he was trying to fight the way he fights, he could partly because of Calzaghe but also partly because of his age, it's time for him to retire, I've seen way too many fighters fight too long and end up getting hurt, I don't want to see it happen to Jones, he's done, there's no reason to fight on unless he needs the money.

And I disagree, the Roy Jones we saw would have lost against most of the top guys at 175, Dawson and Hopkins included.

Lets hear an argument to support that statement.

Dawson would have lost this fight at several points. He would not have gotten up from the first knockdown. He would have been out cold from that uppercut. Many of the punches that Joe Calzaghe walked through would have had Chad Dawson on wobbly legs.

I never said that Roy should keep fighting. I have already gone on record as stating that he should have retired after the Trinidad fight. He simply has nothing left to prove in the sport, but that doesn't make him shot, and that doesn't make him a less viable fighter. It simply means he is has nothing left to prove.

Roy was never in trouble, he was never in over his head, he was never in danger of getting stopped. He was landing crisp punches all night long. That is more than we can say of Bernard, who was in over his head, was hurt, was on the verge of getting stopped, and was unable to land any meaningful punches against Joe.

[Silencers]

Lets hear an argument to support that statement.

Dawson would have lost this fight at several points. He would not have gotten up from the first knockdown. He would have been out cold from that uppercut. Many of the punches that Joe Calzaghe walked through would have had Chad Dawson on wobbly legs.

I never said that Roy should keep fighting. I have already gone on record as stating that he should have retired after the Trinidad fight. He simply has nothing left to prove in the sport, but that doesn't make him shot, and that doesn't make him a less viable fighter. It simply means he is has nothing left to prove.

Roy was never in trouble, he was never in over his head, he was never in danger of getting stopped. He was landing crisp punches all night long. That is more than we can say of Bernard, who was in over his head, was hurt, was on the verge of getting stopped, and was unable to land any meaningful punches against Joe.

Dawson throws quite a lot of punches, is a tall southpaw, possesses a good jab, if the fresher fighter, it's a bad fight for Jones at this point, you seem to think he has a lot left, he doesn't and there's no guarantee that Jones would have hit Dawson the way he hit Calzaghe.

You and I were watching different fights, I saw Jones stunned once in the fight, miss most of his shots and lost a one sided fight. Hopkins arguably won his fight with Calzaghe so I don't see how he was in over his head.

[!! Shawn]

Dawson throws quite a lot of punches, is a tall southpaw, possesses a good jab, if the fresher fighter, it's a bad fight for Jones at this point, you seem to think he has a lot left, he doesn't and there's no guarantee that Jones would have hit Dawson the way he hit Calzaghe.

You and I were watching different fights, I saw Jones stunned once in the fight, miss most of his shots and lost a one sided fight. Hopkins arguably won his fight with Calzaghe so I don't see how he was in over his head.

Since Dawson is considerably easier to hit that Calzaghe, I think its a good bet that he would have hit him with even more of those shots. Also, Dawson is the kind of fighter than can have their work rate controlled by counter punching.

[Mr. Philadel]

Dawson throws quite a lot of punches, is a tall southpaw, possesses a good jab, if the fresher fighter, it's a bad fight for Jones at this point, you seem to think he has a lot left, he doesn't and there's no guarantee that Jones would have hit Dawson the way he hit Calzaghe.

You and I were watching different fights, I saw Jones stunned once in the fight, miss most of his shots and lost a one sided fight. Hopkins arguably won his fight with Calzaghe so I don't see how he was in over his head.

Exactly..... like you said, maybe he's watching different fights than everyone else

[Silencers]

Since Dawson is considerably easier to hit that Calzaghe, I think its a good bet that he would have hit him with even more of those shots. Also, Dawson is the kind of fighter than can have their work rate controlled by counter punching.

Dawson is a tough guy to hit himself, his defense has improved. There's been no evidence of his punch output getting limited by counterpunching.

[daggum]

Since Dawson is considerably easier to hit that Calzaghe, I think its a good bet that he would have hit him with even more of those shots. Also, Dawson is the kind of fighter than can have their work rate controlled by counter punching.

you sir are an IDIOT if you think calzaghe has any chance against dawson.

[!! Shawn]

Dawson throws quite a lot of punches, is a tall southpaw, possesses a good jab, if the fresher fighter, it's a bad fight for Jones at this point, you seem to think he has a lot left, he doesn't and there's no guarantee that Jones would have hit Dawson the way he hit Calzaghe.

You and I were watching different fights, I saw Jones stunned once in the fight, miss most of his shots and lost a one sided fight. Hopkins arguably won his fight with Calzaghe so I don't see how he was in over his head.

You are kidding me right. You don't remember the 5 minute rest?