Anyone else agree with me now after the Pavlik hype has gone?

[Landshark]

What are you basing this on?? His wins over (insert name)

I am basing it on Pavlik 2 performance over Taylor

1st fight. Any other ref would have finished the fight in favor of taylor(glad it did not happen though).
2nd fight: I had it a draw, most people saw taylor landing the flusher shots.

Taylor is arguably the most overated middle in a long time.

Pavlik did not win a 1 round against a 43 year old(atg definitely).

Pavlik is what he is, a decent fighter with a massive will. ANY TECHNICAL Boxer beats him, hell I would say top 5 smw beat him 8-10.

[AKATheMack]

I have no doubt B-Hop would have done the same thing to Kessler that he did to Pavlik. I seriously almost hate Hopkins and like both Pav and Kess but he would make em look like amateurs so I think Kessler-Pavlik is a pickem fight and its a war.

[Flawless 2]

[QUOTE=Landshark;4279417]1st fight. Any other ref would have finished the fight in favor of taylor(glad it did not happen though).
2nd fight: I had it a draw, most people saw taylor landing the flusher shots.

Taylor is arguably the most overated middle in a long time.

Pavlik did not win a 1 round against a 43 year old(atg definitely).

Pavlik is what he is, a decent fighter with a massive will. ANY TECHNICAL Boxer beats him, hell I would say top 5 smw beat him 8-10.[/QUOTE]

You see the part I highlighted that is what is called your opinion. Pavlik best win is more impressive than Kesslers best win FACT

Taylor most overrated MW after beating Hopkins twice, Hopkins is Calzaghe best win

Taylor – Pavlik one was a fair fight
Pavlik and Taylor 2 could have gone Taylors way but DIDN’T

[Landshark]

[QUOTE=Flawless 2;4279483]

1st fight. Any other ref would have finished the fight in favor of taylor(glad it did not happen though).
2nd fight: I had it a draw, most people saw taylor landing the flusher shots.

Taylor is arguably the most overated middle in a long time.

Pavlik did not win a 1 round against a 43 year old(atg definitely).

Pavlik is what he is, a decent fighter with a massive will. ANY TECHNICAL Boxer beats him, hell I would say top 5 smw beat him 8-10.[/QUOTE]

You see the part I highlighted that is what is called your opinion. Pavlik best win is more impressive than Kesslers best win FACT

Taylor most overrated MW after beating Hopkins twice, Hopkins is Calzaghe best win

Taylor – Pavlik one was a fair fight
Pavlik and Taylor 2 could have gone Taylors way but DIDN’T

Dude you act like taylor's wins were SO convincing? I doubt you even believe that. Actually come to think of it, I don't know of ANY fighter fighting today or EVER that has so many controversial wins as does Taylor. Overated my friend is a VERY solid arguement.

[AKATheMack]

I thought the Pavlik "HYPE" was that he was a tough sonofabitch with heavy hands. Has that somehow changed by getting outboxed by Hopkins?

[Flawless 2]

[QUOTE=Landshark;4279499]

Dude you act like taylor's wins were SO convincing? I doubt you even believe that. Actually come to think of it, I don't know of ANY fighter fighting today or EVER that has so many controversial wins as does Taylor. Overated my friend is a VERY solid arguement.

Calzaghe win over Hopkins was convincing as well or over Reid??? The fact that he beat Hopkins twice clearly IMO shows that he is a class act not a unproven fighter like Kessler is

[Landshark]

[QUOTE=Flawless 2;4279514]

Calzaghe win over Hopkins was convincing as well or over Reid??? The fact that he beat Hopkins twice clearly IMO shows that he is a class act not a unproven fighter like Kessler is

I never said Calzaghe win over hopkins was convincing, yes he did beat hopkins twice. AND? Do you believe his wins over spinks, pavlik2, winky and bernard 1 were convincing?

[Flawless 2]

[QUOTE=Landshark;4279530]

I never said Calzaghe win over hopkins was convincing, yes he did beat hopkins twice. AND? Do you believe his wins over spinks, pavlik2, winky and bernard 1 were convincing?

Yes, I do. Don’t add Pavlik 2 he lost that fight

[ELPacman]

I still think Pavlik at 170lbs is what killed him. At 160lbs he still remains dominant as usual. I won't lose faith in him until he fights once again at 160lbs. I mean ****, as if seeing how bad he was at 167lbs with the Taylor fight wasn't bad enough, you could sorta foresee what was gonna happen and why Hopkins wanted/went through with the fight. Pavlik isn't the same Pavlik at any weight higher than 160lbs.

[punchDrUnK MONK]

listen, kelly pavlick is a tough, solid fighter. top rank material. just cuz he got dominated doesnt mean he is garbage. he is a contender type fighter. he got his spotlight time. and eventually fell off the top, or gets thrown off the top :P

its all meant to be in boxing, its destiny, and its jus how it goes. we should be nothing but thankful that these warriors can come in the boxing ranks and give us such good shows and performances and underdogs climbing to the top and so much drama and action

quit hating n being unhapyp with what u get. boxing aint dying, its being murdered by the ungreatful fans . everyone be respectful and should be interested in pavlicks return to see how he will recover. its boxing baby enjoy it, why hate. if u a real fan u wont hate.