People must be blind when it comes to Chavez vs. Whitaker

[Fox McCloud]

The reason Chavez-Whitaker is often called the biggest robbery ever may not be because the fight was a completely dominant win that was ruled a draw but because the fight was about the number 1 and number 2 p4p ranked boxers fighting each other.

It was a big fight that ended up being a disappointment because of incompetent judging.

That is probably true...

According to The Ring, since the induction of its P4P list in 1989, this has been the biggest matchup made in boxing.

[Steak]

and Chavez landed plenty of good punches in rounds 1,2,5,6,9 and 12, the rounds he arguably won.


I didn't see that at all. If you think Chavez could have won those rounds then you have no problem with the draw?

technically yes, but giving Chavez all the close rounds is extremely questionable, to say the least. the only rounds Chavez clearly won were probebly rounds 2 and 9...and I dont know how anyone has him losing the 12th round, but I have seen people give Whitaker that round, so oh well.

even people who had Whitaker winning by more than 116-112 would sometimes vary between these rounds, so what else am I supposed to make of that? I personally didnt have him winning all those rounds.

you could actually compare this fight to Calzaghe-Kessler. the scores were around 116-112 for that fight too, and while Calzaghe had a few really dominant rounds and clearly won the fight, Kessler still held his own in quite a few rounds too.

[AL-MUQAWAMA]

It's the high level the fight is on that pushes it right up there into the high-end robbery stakes. Not that it needs much pushing, because it was a clearly dominant win. And it was a "schooling". Whitaker made JCC appear ineffectual; and when you can do that to JCC, you know you've put on a clinic. You have to take into the caliber of these guys. It's a relative schooling, whether it resembles Pavlik-Hopkins or not, because it wasn't meant to be this dominant.


Felt like pulling the fight out to watch tonight and I still can't believe this ****.
People are too ******* with the term "robbery", but this is as clear as day.

Chávez got jabbed to ****, worked up and down and bullied inside. Pea got off with a variety of hooks, crosses and uppercuts upstairs, snapping Chávez' head back with the sharper, more eye-catching shots all night. Julio's entire body got ******ed, abdomen, ribcage, chest, arms, solar-plexus, hips. Whitaker literally even spanked his ass for the **** of it (doesn't score, but, hey). Had him busted up in the final round.

Chávez landed his jab with and between Whitaker's and landed the more thudding shots to head/body, but there was simply nowhere near enough of either to control rounds on a regular basis. It goes without saying that so much of JCC's aggression was ineffective, i.e. whiffing air, but so much of the stuff that did touch Pea was deflected, blocked, parried, rolled, too.

Chávez had no answers. He failed in every attempt to change the direction of the fight once Whitaker had taken firm control from round 3 on.


117-111 is how I've always had it, and I feel generous giving Chávez three rounds in the fight. If I close my eyes for two other rounds and gift him those, he still loses 115-113 on my card. I'm not being generous to Whitaker. If you watch closely, that's how much he dictates the pace, flow and distance of the fight, negates JCC's offense and dials in his own with phenomenal variety. Chávez looked, and was, bewildered and tired. Period. His post-fight defiance and claims of victory were no more than blind pride.


It's not just all the work that went into that fight, but the 9 years of work that went into building up to that moment, that makes me feel sick for Whitaker. Boxing's two best on the planet in any weight, in front of a 60,000+ stadium crowd, and Whitaker made a truly great fighter look like a chump. Then they took it from him. Who can imagine how that felt?



Any weirdos here still think Chávez has a case?

[bojangles1987]

WTF bullsh** thread is this...

Chavez won 3 rounds max.

[Ray*]

Watch this fight again on my way to Edinburgh on my Laptop and it's a robbery period! Not the worse but still a robbery and what made it a robbery was the fact that it was the number 1 guy fighting the number 2 guy, Chavez was soo ineffective that everyone of his team and his crowd knew he lost.

[crold1]

Especially for a fight of that magnitude

Bingo. That was the key. The world was watching and the decision was 1000% wrong. It hurt the credibility of the sport at a point when it was hanging on for dear life to mainstream attention in the U.S.

[AL-MUQAWAMA]

Ferdie Pacheco can't score a fight for ****, BTW.

WTF bullsh** thread is this...

Chavez won 3 rounds max.

That's how I feel. If I give him more than three, I start to feel like I'm patronizing him.

This was a clinic, plain as day.




But I learned something by searching for a Whitaker-JCC thread to bump instead of starting another.

I didn't realize Steak was blackirish137 in a name change.

[TintaBoricua]

116-112=schooled? are you kidding me? guess that means that Pernell was 'schooled' by Trinidad, since he lost by more than 116-112.

it amazes me that a score of 115-113 can be considered a very close fight, while a score of 116-112 means that a fighter got schooled, even though theres only a one round difference between the two scores. that makes sense, right?
what a joke.

You're right. 8-4 is wide, 7-5 is narrow.

But I guess it depends how much goes on during those rounds that people either classify it as a "schooling" or a "close fight". I'm not commenting on the fight, just adding to your point.

[americanbot]

lol @ it was competitive whooohahahaha.

what you saw was chavez getting outboxed........

[j.one]

Bottom line is everybody knows that Whitaker won Vs Chavez & Oscar...period. There is no question, he was robbed and they were both huge robbery's, they robbed his legacy with those fights. He is still great with the losses (Robbery's) but the fact remains he was flat out robbed and it effected his legacy. No amount of excuses or hindsight takes away the fact that he was robbed and cheated.