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  • Dynamite Kid
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    being a conventional fighter does not mean you are a Technical fighter

    a technical fighter is someone with good techinque as far as im concerned hence the term TECHNical, dont confuse conventional with technical fighter

    people say Kessler is technical ,well if technical fighter is someone with no upper body movement and someone who comes foward and goes backwards in straight lines and throws wide robotic looking hooks and has the defence of a battered wife when backed up then yeah i guess he is technical

    conventional and technical two completely different things

    take Naseem Hamed he was at his best against fighters that held their hands high,the conventional type fighters like Steve Robinson, because he was able to move to their left or right after or whilst countering with his hands down because they could not see him to counter him because their vision was obscured by their high held guard

    also when you fight with your hands up so high you have to get closer to your oponent to land anyone who has sparred or Boxed in this posture will know exactly what im talking about

    if you look at Amir Khan against Prescott he came out in the same posture i realise full well he may still have been Ko'ed but Rubio altered his style he made him raise his hands up high which meant he has to be closer to Prescott to land his punches [mid range] and his game plan was obviously to pick the punches off with the gloves and make slight head movement to avoid the counters and fire back but it backfired big time,because of Khan's chin or because he had not adapted to the style ? a bit of both IMO if he had a decent chin he could of got threw it even if he did get hit like that but he also did not adapt to the style well either,because he tried to throw a left hook to the body without putting something before it like a jab to take his oponents attention off the fact he was gonna go reaching down stairs you dont go reaching down stairs period, you have to be close to land EFFECTIVE body punches but you certainly dont reach down thier before throwing a jab to disguise it Khan IMO should of understood this at that is why ive always been of the opinion Khan does not have good Boxing brain

    having your hands up so high is not ALWAYS the best strategy it is against certain oponents etc etc but not all the time

    i knew Margarito would get to Cotto if he ever started to move to Cotto's left and started cranking the right hands because Cotto had both hands high and his left would of been obscuring his vision from the right hands of Margarito and if Margarito was cutting him off from that side to he was always going to struggle,i can remember thinking this as i was watching the fight and sure enough it happend soon as he stepped to Cotto right and starting letting the right hands go BINGO he had a huge round
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    #2
    Originally posted by Terrible...
    also when you fight with your hands up so high you have to get closer to your oponent to land anyone who has sparred or Boxed in this posture will know exactly what im talking about
    I'm not pretending to be a boxing guru, but I have never found, in my experience, that this is true. Having your hands up doesn't change your reach, it only means you have less distance to move your arm (If your arm is up you only have to punch forward, if your hand is down up have to punch up and forward).

    Originally posted by Terrible...
    if you look at Amir Khan against Prescott he came out in the same posture i realise full well he may still have been Ko'ed but Rubio altered his style he made him raise his hands up high which meant he has to be closer to Prescott to land his punches
    Khan and Rubios plan was to pressure Prescott and 'never take a backwards step', which is why Khan went right into Prescott, not the position of his hands.

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      Originally posted by T-97
      I'm not pretending to be a boxing guru, but I have never found, in my experience, that this is true. Having your hands up doesn't change your reach, it only means you have less distance to move your arm (If your arm is up you only have to punch forward, if your hand is down up have to punch up and forward).

      Khan and Rubios plan was to pressure Prescott and 'never take a backwards step', which is why Khan went right into Prescott, not the position of his hands.

      trust me put on a pair of gloves and spar with your hands held really high and you will see what im talking about

      yes and you can preasure your oponent by staying at mid range and counter of the front font whilst avoiding your oponents shots

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        Originally posted by Terrible...
        trust me put on a pair of gloves and spar with your hands held really high and you will see what im talking about
        Been there, done that.

        My coach always drilled into us to keep our hands in front of our faces, I never found this affected my reach in anyway.

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          David Haye criticised Khan for excatly the same thing i did a few days after the fight coming out with his hands glued to the side and getting in range

          but Khan's intention was to slip the shots and counter from that postion

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            #6
            Originally posted by T-97
            Been there, done that.

            My coach always drilled into us to keep our hands in front of our faces, I never found this affected my reach in anyway.

            im telling you that is how it is believe me

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              #7
              Originally posted by T-97
              Been there, done that.

              My coach always drilled into us to keep our hands in front of our faces, I never found this affected my reach in anyway.
              no offence but you might not have the experience or no how to maximise your reach from a more laid back boxing style whilst shuffling your feet into and outta range to land shots you cant do that when your hands are up so high

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                i think what is more than anything is when you fight out that type of D you tend to square yourself up more which is what takes away a bit of your reach

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                  #9
                  Good stuff, Terrible. As someone who's never boxed (too much of a *****, got a dodgy shoulder, don't want to ruin my looks) this sort of **** is really interesting as hell.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Keyser Soze
                    Good stuff, Terrible. As someone who's never boxed (too much of a *****, got a dodgy shoulder, don't want to ruin my looks) this sort of **** is really interesting as hell.
                    cheers





                    watch the jab before the hook which is what disguises the hook so Jones can land it otherwise Thorton may very well have picked the hook off

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                    Khan reaches in and thows a left hook from the outside which is a no no but he does not get away with it because he does not give Prescott something to accupy him before he goes down there like a jab ,if he jabs to the head then hooks to the body he probably dont get caught there


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