Did Mackie Shilstone actually HURT Hopkins in the Calzaghe fight?

[NeXt In Line]

Just a thought, Hopkins weighed in at 173 for the Calzaghe fight, and looked to be more bulky, though not a lot obviously, than he was at the weigh-in for his Pavlik fight, where he weighed 170, just 3 pounds lower.

However, he looked much livlier in the later rounds in the Pavlik fight than he did in the Calzaghe fight. Did Mackie's program of maybe adding too much muscle hurt him in the fight? Was it that Calzaghe's punch rate was too much? Or did Hopkins perhaps second guess himself in his age, thinking he wouldn't keep up with Calzaghe?

[El Chicano]

Yeah, him and Calzaghe had a sinister plan that would make Hopkins let Calzaghe slap him with more slaps than he's ever been slapped before in his entire career!

[Silencers]

Hopkins did look very big in the upper body against Calzaghe but Shilstone knows what he's doing, he's been doing it for a long time.

I think a thyroid condition that Hopkins had during the Wright and Calzaghe fights could have been a big factor in his low punch output in both fights, it cleared up before the Pavlik fight and his punch output increased significantly.

[ReadyUp]

I think a thyroid condition that Hopkins had during the Wright and Calzaghe fights could have been a big factor in his low punch output in both fights, it cleared up before the Pavlik fight and his punch output increased significantly.

Can't really agree. He wasn't punching very much against Taylor. I think it just adds up to his opponent.


B-Hop threw alot and then moved off in an angle against 3 fighters that were coming right to him. Tito, Tarver, and K-Pav. Jermain (at middleweight) was more athletic than Hops and it made him gun-shy. Same with Joe at 170, he was moving in directions other than towards.

[Silencers]

Can't really agree. He wasn't punching very much against Taylor. I think it just adds up to his opponent.


B-Hop threw alot and then moved off in an angle against 3 fighters that were coming right to him. Tito, Tarver, and K-Pav. Jermain (at middleweight) was more athletic than Hops and it made him gun-shy. Same with Joe at 170, he was moving in directions other than towards.

You can attribute that to him having trouble making weight, I'm not making excuses but he said he has had trouble making 160 for a while so that can be why he only fought 6 rounds against Taylor.

[link2296]

I think Calzaghe's ring intelligence and athleticism hurt B-hop's chances to win that fight. If B-hop could have put more punches on Calzaghe, he would have...but it wasn't his conditioning that wore him out...I feel that everyone who raises questions of this nature is overlooking the obvious...Joe deserves credit for extinguishing Bernards will to fight harder.

Quite honestly, i think that both men overlooked their opponents that night, and I think that a rematch would prove that.

[S A M U R A I]

I think Calzaghe's ring intelligence and athleticism hurt B-hop's chances to win that fight. If B-hop could have put more punches on Calzaghe, he would have...but it wasn't his conditioning that wore him out...I feel that everyone who raises questions of this nature is overlooking the obvious...Joe deserves credit for extinguishing Bernards will to fight harder.

Quite honestly, i think that both men overlooked their opponents that night, and I think that a rematch would prove that.

I agree, but some people will never EVER give Joe any credit. Period. He could beat Jesus Christ and they'd say Jesus was shot.

It was an ugly, atrocious fight and personally I never want to watch it again, but the fact is their styles cancel each other out. If they had a rematch it'd be the same thing. Horrible. It will never work.

I wish everyone would just forget about that fight and move on.



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