B Hop and Hagler

[DeckasRun]

Hopkins biggest wins in his career came against De La Hoya and Trinidad,both much smaller men.This is often cited as a reason why Hopkins resume is flawed.

How come then the same criticism is never aimed at Hagler who built his reputation on fighting naturally lighter men in Duran,Leonard,Hearns.

[WhoreUs]

Hopkins biggest wins in his career came against De La Hoya and Trinidad,both much smaller men.This is often cited as a reason why Hopkins resume is flawed.

How come then the same criticism is never aimed at Hagler who built his reputation on fighting naturally lighter men in Duran,Leonard,Hearns.

160 was weak during marvin's reign but hopkins was way worst.

put it this way...... keith holmes lost his nabf title shot at 154 but ended up reigning as wbc 160 champion for years.

also duran won a belt at 160 AFTER he loss to hagler , leonard and hearns all won belts at 160 , 168 and 175 AFTER their loss to hagler. (yeah mofo's leonard lost to hagler.)

winky , oscar and tito never won anything at 160 or above after hopkins fought them.

[ИATAS]

winky , oscar and tito never won anything at 160 or above after hopkins fought them.

Cuz hopkins ruined tito. He retired after hopkins. Then of course came back, gets beat again. retires. Comes back, gets beat. Retires. blah

[WhoreUs]

Cuz hopkins ruined tito. He retired after hopkins. Then of course came back, gets beat again. retires. Comes back, gets beat. Retires. blah

he didn't ruin tito. he beat tito but he didn't ruin him.

in tito's fight after hopkins against cherifi (a top level natural middleweight) , tito still had it.

retirement ruined tito. tito would've beat every 160 guy at the time NOT named bernard hopkins.

though a natural welterweight , tito had middleweight power and his skills are very underrated.

just because he lost to hopkins doesn't mean he had crappy boxing skills. look at how bad he made joe calzaghe look and this was years after he beat tito.

tito is so underrated nowadays......

[El Dominicano]

Hopkins biggest wins in his career came against De La Hoya and Trinidad,both much smaller men.This is often cited as a reason why Hopkins resume is flawed.

How come then the same criticism is never aimed at Hagler who built his reputation on fighting naturally lighter men in Duran,Leonard,Hearns.

Didn't Hearns fight at C.W?! and look damn good at it
Didn't Duran K.O Iran...same Iran who beat Hearns?
The SRL Hagler faced could have beaten MOST M.W's today

By the way, I wouldn't throw DLH into B-Hop's biggest win

[ИATAS]

he didn't ruin tito. he beat tito but he didn't ruin him.

in tito's fight after hopkins against cherifi (a top level natural middleweight) , tito still had it.

retirement ruined tito. tito would've beat every 160 guy at the time NOT named bernard hopkins.

though a natural welterweight , tito had middleweight power and his skills are very underrated.

just because he lost to hopkins doesn't mean he had crappy boxing skills. look at how bad he made joe calzaghe look and this was years after he beat tito.

tito is so underrated nowadays......

Ok then, I agree with you but you just messed up your own point. You admit tito would have done great things at middleweight or above if not for retirement.

[WhoreUs]

Ok then, I agree with you but you just messed up your own point. You admit tito would have done great things at middleweight or above if not for retirement.

nah...... tito is a natural welter (look at his build) but he was pretty top of the line at 160 too (bernard just whooped him. if he didn't retire he would've been very competitive at 154-160)

i just say that he wasn't a good 160 to piss off you hopkins guys.

you know i hate hopkins but you know i acknowledge his skills and resume. i just crap on the guy a lot because that's what boxing fans are suppose to do. love your guys and hate their rivals.

[ИATAS]

nah...... tito is a natural welter (look at his build) but he was pretty top of the line at 160 too (bernard just whooped him. if he didn't retire he would've been very competitive at 154-160)

i just say that he wasn't a good 160 to piss off you hopkins guys.

you know i hate hopkins but you know i acknowledge his skills and resume. i just crap on the guy a lot because that's what boxing fans are suppose to do. love your guys and hate their rivals.

lol, ok I know. And I agree with you when you once said tito would have unified and dominated the middleweight division, if it wasn't for hopkins.

[Thread Stealer]

Hagler fought better opposition on the road to the MW title, and beat some solid middleweights (Hamsho for example) as champ as well.

Both guys are considered greats by most observers anyway, regardless of those who criticize Hopkins for having his biggest wins beating smaller guys.

[WhoreUs]

lol, ok I know. And I agree with you when you once said tito would have unified and dominated the middleweight division, if it wasn't for hopkins.

i hate you bernard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**** keith holmes. this is all his fault...... he should've found a way to beat bernard for the wbc/ibf belts......