Should how to foul be taught to boxers since their young??

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  • PoetryInMotion
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    Should how to foul be taught to boxers since their young??

    It seems to me that proper ways to foul should be taught to fighters since the begining months of their training. Teach them how to be more slick about it so that the ref dont catch them, implement it in their training so that if necessary in a fight, they wont hessitate to do what it takes to win. Also in them getting more comfortable at fouling, they may also become more natural at defending themselves against a foul.

    I for one do not like to see dirty tactics in the ring, but it is a part of boxing. In the Hopkins-Pavlik fight, both fighters were hitting behind the head but Pavlik is the one who got warned, im not saying the referee was bias, Hopkins just knew when to do it. Also Hopkins would naturaly cover up the back of his head when clinching. We all seen when Pavlik went for a low blow then stopped himself, it was a telegramed low blow, nothing natural about it because he wasn't comfortable throwing it. If the tide of the fight was turned and Hopkins would have been getting dominated every round and he thought a low blow would have a 1 in a million chance of turning the fight around, he would have threw and landed the most natural looking lowblow that you would have to question if it was intentional or not.

    I notice this ussually occurs when younger guys fight older guys, and it's something that gives the older fighters an edge. Antother example that comes to mind from recent history is Diaz-Cambell, Cambell was using the laces from his gloves and rubbing it on Diaz eye to open the cut, and was using his head alot on the inside, Diaz just looked uncomfortable and unsure how to react. Casamayor-Corrales is another example, in clinches Casamayor would tilt his head towards Corrales brow with a jerk, then while still in the clinch would actually lean back to see if he cut Corrales or if he should go for it again.

    I believe all the older guys I have mentioned above won the matches I talked about fair and square, after all dirty tactics are a part of boxing, and the fouls are not the only reason they won, although it does give them a slight edge. In no way is this an excuse for the young fighters, my question is if more time should be spent in the gym on dirty tactics.
    Last edited by PoetryInMotion; 10-23-2008, 10:36 AM.
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    They are, at least for me.

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    • Eaner0919
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      yes it should be taught. while I would condone any fighter to use tactics like that it should be taught to where if they had to retort then they could. also by knowing how to use dirty tactics they can also learn how to nullify them

      yes it should be taught 100% most of the trainers I know teach some aspect in some fashion

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      • PoetryInMotion
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        I know it is taught to some degree or another, but obviously when younger guys get in with the crafty veterans they struggle. My question is if more time should be spent on it.

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          Originally posted by R.I.P. Corrales
          I know it is taught to some degree or another, but obviously when younger guys get in with the crafty veterans they struggle. My question is if more time should be spent on it.
          To an extent that they know how it works, how their opponent can use it towards them, how to avoid/counter them.. IMO.

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            enzo taught his son to fight like a circus clown so i don't see why the hell not.

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              Originally posted by R.I.P. Corrales
              It seems to me that proper ways to foul should be taught to fighters since the begining months of their training. Teach them how to be more slick about it so that the ref dont catch them, implement it in their training so that if necessary in a fight, they wont hessitate to do what it takes to win. Also in them getting more comfortable at fouling, they may also become more natural at defending themselves against a foul.

              I for one do not like to see dirty tactics in the ring, but it is a part of boxing. In the Hopkins-Pavlik fight, both fighters were hitting behind the head but Pavlik is the one who got warned, im not saying the referee was bias, Hopkins just knew when to do it. Also Hopkins would naturaly cover up the back of his head when clinching. We all seen when Pavlik went for a low blow then stopped himself, it was a telegramed low blow, nothing natural about it because he wasn't comfortable throwing it. If the tide of the fight was turned and Hopkins would have been getting dominated every round and he thought a low blow would have a 1 in a million chance of turning the fight around, he would have threw and landed the most natural looking lowblow that you would have to question if it was intentional or not.

              I notice this ussually occurs when younger guys fight older guys, and it's something that gives the older fighters an edge. Antother example that comes to mind from recent history is Diaz-Cambell, Cambell was using the laces from his gloves and rubbing it on Diaz eye to open the cut, and was using his head alot on the inside, Diaz just looked uncomfortable and unsure how to react. Casamayor-Corrales is another example, in clinches Casamayor would tilt his head towards Corrales brow with a jerk, then while still in the clinch would actually lean back to see if he cut Corrales or if he should go for it again.

              I believe all the older guys I have mentioned above won the matches I talked about fair and square, after all dirty tactics are a part of boxing, and the fouls are not the only reason they won, although it does give them a slight edge. In no way is this an excuse for the young fighters, my question is if more time should be spent in the gym on dirty tactics.
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