Joe Calzaghe Sounds Off on Roy Jones, Hopkins, Pavlik

[roundingace]

Just because Hopkins beat Pavlik does NOT mean Calzaghe would. Hopkins has destroyed fighters (Pavlik, Tarver) who have beaten fighters who have beaten Hopkins (Taylor I & II, Roy Jones Jr). It doesn't mean that because Hopkins beat him that Calzaghe can. Tarver beat Jones twice yet Hopkins dominated Tarver. Pavlik beat Taylor twice yet Hopkins dominated Pavlik. The one thing these fighters have in common though is that they fought eachother and didnt talk about it (Calzaghe). Dont talk about it.. be about it. Just because you beat a fighter doesnt mean you can beat everybody he beat. The only way to prove that is in the ring. Thats why you (Calzaghe) are not a legend. You look for validation of your own accomplishments from what somebody else does instead of fighting them all. When you retire you cant say you "fought them all" like a legend does.

Well said sir. Triangle theories are never accurate.

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a guy who fights like this needs to shut his trap.

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Triangle theories do suck most of the time, but come on -- Calzaghe would humiliate Pavlik and everyone knows that. As far as I'm concerned, Taylor beat him in the rematch. I had him ahead by 1 or 2 points. Pavlik was simply out-boxed by Jermain. He also revealed several flaws in Pavlik which did Bernard a favor.



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I agree with just about everything he said lmao.

[roundingace]

Triangle theories do suck most of the time, but come on -- Calzaghe would humiliate Pavlik and everyone knows that.

Only his fans are that certain it would happen. A triangle theory is good in logic but bad in real life.

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a guy who fights like this needs to shut his trap.

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You can't base an entire career on 2 seconds of a gif, and not only that, but against Hopkins. Bernard makes any opponent look at their worst. Calzaghe and Hopkins' styles cancel each other out completely, because Calzaghe also makes Bernard look at his worst.

BTW, nice headbutt, Bernard.



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Only his fans are that certain it would happen. A triangle theory is good in logic but bad in real life.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I think you are in denial, sir. Hopkins humiliated your boy Kelly, you even lost a bet with me, and you're still a little bitter. I don't blame you, though. I'd be disappointed in my favorite fighter (or one of them) lost badly.

Rewatch Calzaghe-Lacy again, though. That's how Pavlik-Calzaghe would look. Kelly is lucky he didn't fight Joe, the supposedly over-rated Euro bum. What's worse: getting schooled by a Euro-bum or getting schooled by an American legend?



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[roundingace]

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I think you are in denial, sir. Hopkins humiliated your boy Kelly, you even lost a bet with me, and you're still a little bitter. I don't blame you, though. I'd be disappointed in my favorite fighter (or one of them) lost badly.

Rewatch Calzaghe-Lacy again, though. That's how Pavlik-Calzaghe would look. Kelly is lucky he didn't fight Joe, the supposedly over-rated Euro bum. What's worse: getting schooled by a Euro-bum or getting schooled by an American legend?

I know he lost and I'm not bitter my friend. It happens in boxing. When you take big risks, sometimes the "O" goes. In your second paragraph you're doing it again, you're basically saying that one fighter "looks" like another and given what fighter A did to fighter B then by this logic, fighter C would fair no better than fighter B. It just doesn't work that way.

[roundingace]

or getting schooled by an American legend?

Only Calzaghe will be able to tell us how this feels come next month. But hey, that's another thread.

[Brassangel]

Triangle theories don't work at all in sports. It was a style and size clash for Pavlik. It doesn't mean that Kelly is one-dimensional, or that he can't beat anyone of quality skills, it just means that he belongs at 160, where he could become a better all-time middleweight champion than even Hopkins was. Bernard lost twice before he even won the title. All the great lose, and Pavlik has nothing to be ashamed of in losing to a man who was at least 10 pounds above his limit, and probably more after rehydrating.

Hopkins came across the ring after the fight and told Pavlik, "go back to work, go back to 160, and be a great champion like I was..." Kelly still has plenty in his future to be a HOF champ.

As a side, Calzaghe is a little justified now to tell people to shut up about a fight with Pavlik, because Pavlik is obviously not dangerous above 160. For those who think Hopkins beat JoeCal, by the way, you didn't watch the fight. I'm an american who pulled for BHop, and he got outclassed against Calzaghe; plain and simple.