what if: Juan Diaz vs. Paulie Malignaggi @ 140?

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  • Dambala
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    #11
    Interesting match-up, inside vs outside fighter, both lacks power and proved to have a solid chin. You could bet this one go the 12 rds, and I see Malignaggi winning, of course if he doesn't bring his extensions this time.

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    • Mojita
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      #12
      Originally posted by warp1432
      Diaz can't punch, but neither can paulie. Diaz has way to good of defense to get outboxed by Paulie, who folds under good pressure.

      Diaz's defense >>>> paulie's anyday.
      woah what? Campbell isnt a boxer himself but i guess Diaz's defense failed - Katsidis had the same gameplan and Diaz adjusted, againest a speedy guy he'll baffle. Boxers always switch it up .Paulie took 12rounds of Cotto pressure, so he'll UD Diaz. point blank

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      • AceNguyen
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        #13
        Originally posted by Thadrow
        are you guys biased as hell or what?

        Juan Diaz will not be effective at 140 to start . Paulie outboxes him to UD, can i ask how the hell would Diaz not-so-fast self gets a decision?
        Paulie's jab will do nothing to break Diaz's shell and if he throws right hands he will almost certainly break it on Diaz's forearm. Furthermore, Diaz throws a lot more combinations and has a higher workrate. He would not have to worry about what's coming back at him, so he can outwork Paulie to a comfortable decision. It's a terrible style matchup for Malignaggi.

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        • warp1432
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          #14
          Originally posted by Thadrow
          woah what? Campbell isnt a boxer himself but i guess Diaz's defense failed - Katsidis had the same gameplan and Diaz adjusted, againest a speedy guy he'll baffle. Boxers always switch it up .Paulie took 12rounds of Cotto pressure, so he'll UD Diaz. point blank
          Umm....no. Paulie took 12 rounds of Cotto's pressure, but looked like **** against other pressure fighters like Ngodujo and Ndou the second time.

          Campbell traded with Diaz and stuck it to his body which wore him down. A lot of people's shots land on Diaz's gloves and they don't hit him. Katsidis landed **** against him.

          Paulie can't take pressure. He folds. Against Cotto. Against Ndogujo. Against Ndou the second time. Soon to be against Hatton. Granted he was able to pull closely away two of those fights, they don't have as good as defense as Diaz. It's not like Paulie has the power to make Diaz respect him like Campbell did.

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          • Mojita
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            #15
            Originally posted by AceNguyen
            Paulie's jab will do nothing to break Diaz's shell and if he throws right hands he will almost certainly break it on Diaz's forearm. Furthermore, Diaz throws a lot more combinations and has a higher workrate. He would not have to worry about what's coming back at him, so he can outwork Paulie to a comfortable decision. It's a terrible style matchup for Malignaggi.
            Diaz IMO wouldnt be so effective at 140 which Paul is more natural at. You dont always have to hit hard to break something. just simply box. name a credible boxer similar to paulies speed and skill that Diaz has beaten?

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            • warp1432
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              #16
              Originally posted by Thadrow
              Diaz IMO wouldnt be so effective at 140 which Paul is more natural at. You dont always have to hit hard to break something. just simply box. name a credible boxer similar to paulies speed and skill that Diaz has beaten?
              The thing is...Malignaggi can't box for **** with people who give him pressure. Paulie becomes to easily distracted under pressure and feels the need to trade with him and can't outbox them.

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                #17
                Originally posted by warp1432
                The thing is...Malignaggi can't box for **** with people who give him pressure. Paulie becomes to easily distracted under pressure and feels the need to trade with him and can't outbox them.
                this where he'll be effective at 140 comes into play . 5 pounds doesnt sound like alot but it makes a difference. i see Paulie being faster moving out and can be able to take some shots. like i said - i havent seen Diaz beating a boxer with speed and skill yet unless i missed something?

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                • AceNguyen
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Thadrow
                  Diaz IMO wouldnt be so effective at 140 which Paul is more natural at. You dont always have to hit hard to break something. just simply box. name a credible boxer similar to paulies speed and skill that Diaz has beaten?
                  I don't think 135 and 140 makes a big difference, Paulie wouldn't impose his size anyways. If Diaz weighed in at 135 and Paulie at 140, I still think Diaz would win.

                  Just because Diaz hasn't faced a boxer like Malignaggi doesn't mean he can't beat a boxer like Malignaggi. I actually like Malignaggi a lot and have rooted for him in every fight since Cotto, but Juan Diaz's defense, workrate, and combos are at such a high level that you need to beat him up to beat him. Diaz is an excellent well-rounded boxer, far moreso than Paulie.

                  How is Paulie going to break Diaz's shell when he depends on movement and a quick jab? Diaz covers up and only opens himself when he throws combos, which is where he could win the fight solely on workrate because he wouldn't worry about Paulie's counterpunching. Comfortable UD for Diaz.

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                  • warp1432
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Thadrow
                    this where he'll be effective at 140 comes into play . 5 pounds doesnt sound like alot but it makes a difference. i see Paulie being faster moving out and can be able to take some shots. like i said - i havent seen Diaz beating a boxer with speed and skill yet unless i missed something?
                    How much skill does Paulie have though because he easily folds under pressure and is a mental midget. He looked good in outboxing Ndou the first time and Edner Cherry, but still....

                    My scores for his last fights:

                    Vs Ngoudjo: 115-113 Paulie
                    vs Ndou 2: 115-114 Paulie

                    That is barely escaping with 2 points each that easily could have gone the other way imo especially in the ngodujo fight.

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                      #20
                      It's hard to say how Diaz would do with the extra 5 pounds, he's already a pretty small lightweight, adding more fat and/or muscle could affect him significantly so right now my pick is Malignaggi.

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