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  • #21
    Originally posted by edgarg View Post
    In your last section "The Pick" you fall into the same error made by many others, so I shouldn't be surprised. But you are disseminating false info, which readers regard as truth. I refer to the "multiple injuries" canard.

    I'd like you to think about it. Klitschko postponed his April fight because he had what was THOUGHT to be a "thigh muscle" injury. The fight was TENTATIVELY re-arranged for June, which gave enough time for such an injury to heal, and rehabilitate. ....It DIDN'T, so they further postponed it to July.

    NOW UNDERSTAND THIS..NONE of these dates was solid, NO arenas were booked, NO TV was arranged, NO tickets printed, NO undercards contracted..etc.etc. By then they'd realised that it was more than a simple muscle tear, and had a CT Scan. This showed that there was NO THIGH INJURY...I REPEAT,no thigh injury, but that there was a bonly spur growth at his spine, which was pressing on the sciatic nerve offshoot, which went to the thigh. This transferred the pain to the thigh, allowing the false diagnosis.

    Furthermore this is NOT..repeat, not an injury, but a natural body function. Millions have had it, including myself, twice.

    Surgery was needed, and successfully performed. There's no need to describe the process, although I could. The fight was definitely arranged for late September. In the meantime Don King and Rahman, had been agitating the news reporters with stories of Klitschko's cowering in terror at the thought of facing Rahman etc.etc. all the way to the cesspit.

    In fact, there was so much crap being fluing around thast Larry King in a TV statement, said thast he'd interviewed the surgeon who'd performed the operation, and that Klitschko's account was substantially correct.

    Notwithstanding the September date, King insisted that Rahman fight his very close friend Monte Barrett for the "Interim" title in August. Klitschko vehemently protested, that the winner might get cut, and also that it would give the winner -the interim Champ- a 45% cut of the purse instead of the usual challenger's 25%. King has close "connections" with the WBC. the fight was held and Rahman, as was expected by ALL, won a fight that stunk out the arena. [also as expected by all].

    Both he and King said that they would be able to fight 6 weeks later in late Sept, that that fight was OK. it never happened. The fight was finally fixed for November, the arena booked, the tickets printed the TV arranged wtc.etc. all the stuff that a definite, big fight portrays.

    Just a few days before the fight, I believe 10, Klitschko in sparring, got his left leg entangled with that of his sparring partner, came down heavily and broke the anterior cruciate ligament jinside his knee, which joins his thigh to his calf. it's over an inch thick.

    The doctiors said it would take at least 6 months to heal, then he'd need re-habilitation, before training for a fight, and it might even take longer. The WBC gave him 60 or 90 days. So.....to avoid more delays, Klitschko gracefully retired and lett the natural evolution of the title proceed. The WBC were grateful for this and awardfed him the "Emeritus" title. One of K';s sparring partners, DaVarryl Williamson, said that the day before, he's been sparring with K, and he was in very good shape.

    So...once again....Klitschko suffered only ONE SINGLE injury during the Rahman fight messaroo, and it caused his retirement.

    All this was in the various news abnnouncements over the period, easily obtainable i'm sure, but needing to be put together.....................and the proper conclusions reached.
    It actually said 'multiple body breakdowns' in picks and you describe more than one with spurs and torn ligaments so what was the point of your essay? The first paragraph says injuries so perhaps you're confused...you're certainly emotionally attached.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by sportsplato View Post
      Let us remember, we are talking about Vitaly not Wlad. Vitali doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Peter. Who has Vitaly stretched out? He beats them down with hard punches. Peter has brute force behind his punches. All Sam has to do is come out aggressive and let his hands go. The KO will come. Peter by 8th rd KO.
      Vitaly has a recorded 14 clean KO's and 20 TKO's. Included in the latter are the stoppages of Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams, amongst many others. Only Sanders finished on his feet. It was a large question as to whether the other two would have been able to get on their feet at all. I'm sure that many other TKO's (I've seen a few) were exactly like those, which I chose because they are his latest, and still able to be remembered.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by crold1 View Post
        It actually said 'multiple body breakdowns' in picks and you describe more than one with spurs and torn ligaments so what was the point of your essay? The first paragraph says injuries so perhaps you're confused...you're certainly emotionally attached.
        Just because it was YOU who wrote the article you need not get so "snippy", self-conscious or protective of your "brain"-child. Nor aggrieved. Be logical and level headed.

        Let me repeat...REPEAT, the bony spur growth, MISTAKENLY assumed to be an injury, even by you just now, even after you acknowledge that it WAS a bony spur growth, is NOT an injury. Repeat loud and clear after me...IT IS NOT AN INJURY.

        What more can I say; your term "injuries" definitely implies more than one, and there was only ONE. Multiple body breakdowns" MEANS "multiple body breakdowns", that is, for your information...MORE THAN ONE, even MORE than TWO...Multiple means, to my simple understanding...MANY..and a bony spur does not come into that category, being a completely natural happeing. Some of us have 'em early in life, some don't. until later.

        The ONLY "body breakdown" he had was the anterior cruciate ligament as I said in my "essay", and tha was a BREAK, not a BREAKDOWN. Practically every boxer has training injuries from time to time. Our boxing web pages are LITTERED with boxers suffering injuries which have caused postponements and even outright cancellations of complete cards. It HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. There's nothing unusual about klitschko having to postpone or cancel, although you are trying to squeeze an article out of it. It's PART OF THE BUSINESS... Do you actually understand.....If so nod your head.

        This was all about Klitschko's retirement, and my comments were, unlike yours, entirely accurate. Look up the video where Larry Merchant speaks extensively avout just this matter.

        When Klitschko was in training for the Jameel McCline fight, he found he had either a herniated [burst-to you] disc, requiring a complete refuse clean out (scoop out) or a disc repair. At any rate it caused him to cancel the fight.

        I give you this info gratis.

        I have years of legal training, and even now am involved in 2 matters before the court involving far, far more than a crappy little dispute about facts. So your silly attempt to portray my letter as being "emotionally involved" is what it is.[and I am too polite to use such terms as immediately spring to my mind.] I'd already retired from active boxing before you were even born, although not from being a person with common-sense..

        But, to your credit, you drew attention to the fact that I actually have produced many essays although my post under attack, is not one of them. Perhaps your journalistic acuity needs a little "honing"?

        Sadly, that's the only thing i can think of "to your credit". GROW UP.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by crold1 View Post
          It actually said 'multiple body breakdowns' in picks and you describe more than one with spurs and torn ligaments so what was the point of your essay? The first paragraph says injuries so perhaps you're confused...you're certainly emotionally attached.
          I'm truly sorry Cliff o;d bean, your pathtiuc reliance on Peter's "long right hand" has "suddenly become ain't"- as Octavius Roy Cohn once wrote in a hilarious book.

          You're going to have to put all your hopes and opinions on "the long finger" as we Irishers say.

          If you know anyone born in Ireland you can ask the meaning from that person. I don't need to educate you, as well as dispute your erronious conclusions.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by edgarg View Post
            I'm truly sorry Cliff o;d bean, your pathtiuc reliance on Peter's "long right hand" has "suddenly become ain't"- as Octavius Roy Cohn once wrote in a hilarious book.

            You're going to have to put all your hopes and opinions on "the long finger" as we Irishers say.

            If you know anyone born in Ireland you can ask the meaning from that person. I don't need to educate you, as well as dispute your erronious conclusions.
            I made the wrong pick...shockingly not the first time or last. I am not alone in this regard.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by crold1 View Post
              I made the wrong pick...shockingly not the first time or last. I am not alone in this regard.
              I picked Peter too, Cliff. Homer nods.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by crold1 View Post
                I made the wrong pick...shockingly not the first time or last. I am not alone in this regard.
                im glad you were wrong

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by crold1 View Post
                  I made the wrong pick...shockingly not the first time or last. I am not alone in this regard.
                  I, actually, didn't make any pick.(Each, on paper had pro's and cons). Not normal for an "emotionally" imvolved, wild eyed, juvenile seeming, rabid "fan".....eh??

                  So lets just agree to go our separate ways.

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