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  • Boofdatruth
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    Why did Marquez turn down the Pac rematch to fight Chris John...

    Juan Manuel Marquez: First Jaca, then Pacquiao
    By Ralph Gonzalez

    An uppercut slammed into Terdsak Jandaeng’s chin and sent him face first to the canvas with only ten seconds left in the second round. It seemed like the fight would be over soon but the tough Thai hung on for a few more punishing rounds. Juan Manuel Marquez (45-3-1, 34 KO’s) would eventually stop Jandaeng in the seventh round after the referee mercifully stopped the ongoing beating. “We knew that the Thai fighter was strong and that he was a lefty. We worked on getting faster and we spent time sparring with someone who had a similar style at camp. We executed our plan effectively,” Marquez said.

    Jandaeng was no pushover. He fought with a lot of heart but simply couldn’t cope with Marquez’s superior talents and beautiful combinations. “He landed some good straight rights. I wasn’t able to block all his shots. It especially affected my right eye. It was almost closed,” Marquez remembers.

    It was a satisfying win for the Mexico City native who holds half of the WBO featherweight title. The other half is in the hands of Scott Harrison, who can’t seem to get himself together enough to meet up with Marquez. This seems to be the norm for “Dinamita” who’s gone through difficult moments in a career full of boxing’s political strife. “I’ve been stripped of my title. People have tried to block my right to fight for a title. I had a terrible decision rendered against me in Indonesia,” Marquez said. “But you know what? God is great and puts everyone in their place and my career will continue to flourish.”

    The Jandaeng fight was on the same card as his brother Rafael’s defense of the IBF bantamweight title. Rafael is promoted by Gary Shaw and there was speculation that Juan Manuel would also be signing with the same company. “The fight was promoted by Shaw but I never signed with him. He wanted to put me on the show with my brother so he let me on the card without any strings attached,” Marquez said. “That shows you what a great guy Gary Shaw is. I don’t think any other promoter would do that. I appreciated it a lot. I ended up signing with Golden Boy Promotions.”

    The “Golden Boy,” Oscar De La Hoya, apparently made quite an impression on Marquez.

    “If you analyze the situation, I think that Oscar has the ability to put some great fights together that are relevant to my career. The fact that he’s a fighter also swayed me. He knows what it’s like to work with promoters and I think very highly of him both as a promoter and a person,” Marquez said.

    After losing a dubious decision in Indonesia against WBA champion Chris John, the boxing public wondered why he and his manager/trainer Ignacio “Nacho” Beristain would accept such a risky fight for a $30,000 purse? Marquez and Beristain had previously balked at an offer from their former promoters at Top Rank to rematch Manny Pacquiao for $750,000. “I tell you why we took that fight in Indonesia. I felt our negotiation for the Pacquiao rematch was an aberration. My fee for the first Pacquiao fight was $650,000. The fact that they wanted to pay me only a hundred thousand more for the rematch was just terrible on Top Rank’s part,” Marquez said. “The first fight was a fight of the year candidate and the rematch was going to be a huge Pay Per View attraction. We also found out that HBO was offering a million and half dollars per fighter. I think it’s unjust that a promoter gets to keep half of the fighter’s purses without throwing a single punch.” Taking the brunt of the criticism was Beristain who’s trained and managed the Marquez brothers since they were kids. Juan Manuel was asked more than once why he would stay with Beristain, who was seemingly making decisions that weren’t favorable to him. Marquez’s loyalty towards the Hall of Fame trainer is usually unheard of in the world of boxing. “Nacho is there to watch out for us. He always has been. He’s also a great person to have in your corner. I feel very comfortable with him and with the decisions we’ve made together,” Marquez said.

    Ultimately it turned into a standoff with Marquez and his people willing to gamble big in order to make an expensive point. “In the end we didn’t want to give the promoter the satisfaction of getting the money. I came out alright, I feel strong and I’ll be a force to reckon with for a while,” Marquez said.
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    the 1.5 million hbo were offering is for both fighters not per fighters.. nacho must have gotten lost in translation

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      They Bull**** with the 700k offer in which they deserves more than that.. They really gotten at least 1.5 million that HBO should be offering to a particular fighter?

      The people understand why the rematch didn't happen but choosing 30k over 700k is just ridiculous.. I'd rather lost paying me 700k than 30k.

      What about the Morales fight.. They did the same thing all over again

      Then, following Marquez's easy decision victory against Victor Polo on May 7, duBoef said Top Rank offered Marquez $1.5 million to fight Erik Morales this fall on HBO PPV. DuBoef said the Marquez camp asked for $3.5 million, a figure even the popular Morales has never been guaranteed for a fight.

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        Hey Boof don't ignore my question.. Why are you so quiet about this?

        What can you say about Marquez wanting to fight Hatton next and pls. tell me your side of Marquez of fighting Barrera and Casamayor? and now Hatton?

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          Originally posted by Sonic Flood
          They Bull**** with the 700k offer in which they deserves more than that.. They really gotten at least 1.5 million that HBO should be offering to a particular fighter?

          The people understand why the rematch didn't happen but choosing 30k over 700k is just ridiculous.. I'd rather lost paying me 700k than 30k.

          What about the Morales fight.. They did the same thing all over again

          Then, following Marquez's easy decision victory against Victor Polo on May 7, duBoef said Top Rank offered Marquez $1.5 million to fight Erik Morales this fall on HBO PPV. DuBoef said the Marquez camp asked for $3.5 million, a figure even the popular Morales has never been guaranteed for a fight.
          Question:

          -Why do you ***** about Marquez fighting past his prime fighters, but yet criticze him for turning down a fight with Morales who was more shot then Barrera and Casamayor combined.

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            Originally posted by warp1432
            Question:

            -Why do you ***** about Marquez fighting past his prime fighters, but yet criticze him for turning down a fight with Morales who was more shot then Barrera and Casamayor combined.
            You mean in 2004? L0l I'm not Bitching.. I'm just stating facts what Sta. Cruz did to Casamayor and what Pacquiao did to Barrera 5 years ago.

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              No they offered him a morales fight in the fall of 2006. And Santa Cruz-Casamayor was by far from a physical beating. Casamayor lost handily for sure and it was an awful robbery, but Casamayor avenged himself by beating katsidis, a man who the Santa Cruz camp turned down!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Sonic Flood
                Hey Boof don't ignore my question.. Why are you so quiet about this?

                What can you say about Marquez wanting to fight Hatton next and pls. tell me your side of Marquez of fighting Barrera and Casamayor? and now Hatton?
                I answered your pathetic question on the thread you asked...Hey Warp, I can't find the article on why Marquez supposedly turned down a Morales fight which was written by someone who did not get actual words from Morales or Marquez. I'm still looking. I remember the article talking about Marquez was still at featherweight and that Morales was a junior lightweight or lightweight wanting that fight, and that negotiations broke down. I'm trying to find tha article...

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                  Originally posted by Boofdatruth
                  I answered your pathetic question on the thread you asked...Hey Warp, I can't find the article on why Marquez supposedly turned down a Morales fight which was written by someone who did not get actual words from Morales or Marquez. I'm still looking. I remember the article talking about Marquez was still at featherweight and that Morales was a junior lightweight or lightweight wanting that fight, and that negotiations broke down. I'm trying to find tha article...
                  Post it again

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                    Originally posted by Boofdatruth
                    I answered your pathetic question on the thread you asked...Hey Warp, I can't find the article on why Marquez supposedly turned down a Morales fight which was written by someone who did not get actual words from Morales or Marquez. I'm still looking. I remember the article talking about Marquez was still at featherweight and that Morales was a junior lightweight or lightweight wanting that fight, and that negotiations broke down. I'm trying to find tha article...
                    I don't know why he turned it down, but it did better for his legacy to fight Barrera insted of Morales. What was he gonna prove with Morales? Honestly? That he could beat Morales after Raheem and Pacquiao beat him?

                    Barrera coming off wins over:

                    -Rocky Juarez twice (who beat Zahir Raheem)
                    -Erik Morales

                    Barrera past his prime yes. Completely done? **** no.

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