Roy Jones Jnr v Bernard Hopkins NOW!

[Truth]

Firstly I don't think Roy is anywhere near as past it as is commonly made out. He still has immense speed (more than Calzaghe) a supreme boxing brain, is fit and somewhat adaptable.

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i disagree about roy not being able to deal with bernard's workrate. however, i agree with what I quoted. Hes not as done as people say, people act like hes Ali when fought Berbick. No disrespect to Ali...

[Kris Silver]

i disagree about roy not being able to deal with bernard's workrate. however, i agree with what I quoted. Hes not as done as people say, people act like hes Ali when fought Berbick. No disrespect to Ali...

I meant as in, a high enough work rate to win most rounds. Joe could run round throwing punches all night, Roy could not. Roy would move and throw less suiting Hopkins.

Dude, your in slight denial about Roy. I wasn't harsh on Roy in that post, and you can only agree with the sentence which was solely positive?

I'll stick my neck out the window and say Roy is not as shot as commonly made out all day I agree. But you have to accept, facing any top 5 p4p guy (Calzaghe or Hopkins) he would be the underdog by a reasonably significant margin, and for good reasons. Add to the fact Hopkins style really doesn't suite someone like Joe or Roy, you have to make Hopkins even more of an over dog still.

[ragingvic]

I would like to offer my unbiased opinion to a biased discussion. In their prime no question about it Roy Jones could outdo Bhop in just about every category. But, believe it or not Roy Jones has been out of the picutre for a loooong time. His last meanigful fights were his three losses to Glen and Tarver in 2005-2004. Bhop since Jones' disaapearacne has taken over a divison (from the man who put Jones away), defended it aginst Winky Wright, and came damw close to defending it against Cal. The fact that Bhop has stayed active against top notch competition and Jones has been fighting nobodys once a year will be the difference.

[Truth]

I meant as in, a high enough work rate to win most rounds. Joe could run round throwing punches all night, Roy could not. Roy would move and throw less suiting Hopkins.

Dude, your in slight denial about Roy. I wasn't harsh on Roy in that post, and you can only agree with the sentence which was solely positive?

I'll stick my neck out the window and say Roy is not as shot as commonly made out all day I agree. But you have to accept, facing any top 5 p4p guy (Calzaghe or Hopkins) he would be the underdog by a reasonably significant margin, and for good reasons. Add to the fact Hopkins style really doesn't suite someone like Joe or Roy, you have to make Hopkins even more of an over dog still.

If you've read my past posts, i have said on numerous occasions that Roy should be the underdog against Calzaghe. Calzaghe logically is the pick to make. I've also said that Roy Jones Jr. is past his prime, and will never be what he once was. I just personally believe he'd beat Hopkins now. Should be be the underdog against Hopkins now? thats a tough call, because Hopkins is 43 years old. But you might be right there considering Nard has been fighting the better fighters...

[Truth]

I would like to offer my unbiased opinion to a biased discussion. In their prime no question about it Roy Jones could outdo Bhop in just about every category. But, believe it or not Roy Jones has been out of the picutre for a loooong time. His last meanigful fights were his three losses to Glen and Tarver in 2005-2004. Bhop since Jones' disaapearacne has taken over a divison (from the man who put Jones away), defended it aginst Winky Wright, and came damw close to defending it against Cal. The fact that Bhop has stayed active against top notch competition and Jones has been fighting nobodys once a year will be the difference.

the point about hopkins fighting better comp is a good point and i respect it. but i also think jones was right in fighting lesser comp because he need to regain his confidence after those 3 bad loses.

[Kris Silver]

If you've read my past posts, i have said on numerous occasions that Roy should be the underdog against Calzaghe. Calzaghe logically is the pick to make. I've also said that Roy Jones Jr. is past his prime, and will never be what he once was. I just personally believe he'd beat Hopkins now. Should be be the underdog against Hopkins now? thats a tough call, because Hopkins is 43 years old. But you might be right there considering Nard has been fighting the better fighters...

Perhaps I caught a couple of key posts of yours, but you started a thread recently I thought was too optimistic on Roy fighting off the ropes. He couldn't do this well, for long enough with Joe or Nard imo, Joe as he can be straight footed and quite good close in and Nard cos of his power and clever movement, clinching.

I don't think Hopkins quite deserves p4p #4, 1 behind Calzaghe, but certainly 5/6. Considering that, his recent performances and comparing those things with Roy, Hops has to be favourite. With Nards style really suiting his age, I just cannot see Roy winning. Imagine Calzaghe not chasing or throwing as much in the Hops fight, and occasionally getting fairly tired and slower footing. That's a rough idea of what would happen to to Roy, with Hopkins not getting so tired, taking advantage and winning more rounds. Result, a Hopkins UD.

As much as I am fans of both, and still rate both as damn good these days even past prime, Hopkins is just not easily beaten. Especially not with the commonly used tools of Joe or Roy like hand speed.

[MELLY-MEL...]

bhop at this point

[Truth]

Perhaps I caught a couple of key posts of yours, but you started a thread recently I thought was too optimistic on Roy fighting off the ropes. He couldn't do this well, for long enough with Joe or Nard imo, Joe as he can be straight footed and quite good close in and Nard cos of his power and clever movement, clinching.

I don't think Hopkins quite deserves p4p #4, 1 behind Calzaghe, but certainly 5/6. Considering that, his recent performances and comparing those things with Roy, Hops has to be favourite. With Nards style really suiting his age, I just cannot see Roy winning. Imagine Calzaghe not chasing or throwing as much in the Hops fight, and occasionally getting fairly tired and slower footing. That right there is Roy, and a Hopkins not getting so tired, taking advantage and winning more rounds. Result, a Hopkins UD.

As much as I am fans of both, and still rate both as damn good these days even past prime, Hopkins is just not easily beaten. Especially not with the commonly used tools of Joe or Roy like hand speed.

you actually gave me karma recently for a post.

you might be right, i'm starting to see more and more what your saying. yeah i'm always going to be kind of optimistic when comes to roy jones.lol but I think i'm pretty reasonable overall. its not like i'm claiming the roy of 97 is coming back to ko calzaghe.lol

[El Dominicano]

Its a toss up. They're NOTHING compared to what they used to be. STILL!! Style wise RJJ stands better chance against Calzaghe.

[Kris Silver]

you actually gave me karma recently for a post.

you might be right, i'm starting to see more and more what your saying. yeah i'm always going to be kind of optimistic when comes to roy jones.lol but I think i'm pretty reasonable overall. its not like i'm claiming the roy of 97 is coming back to ko calzaghe.lol

Hehe, indeed I did my man, because I agree with a lot of what you say. Which is why I'm discussing it with you, I give a damn. I just feel on a couple of notes you may be over optimistic which I've explained. Roy is not shot he's just different and people find it hard to recognise that for what it is. Far easier to say huh, he must be finished.

Roys a terrific athlete, has better speed and tactical ability than Joe. But with Hopkins I just don't see him doing enough to trouble Hopkins. It's not easy for me to admit a Calzaghe with slightly less stamina, work rate and pressure may not have won that fight against Hopkins, but it's true. He relied on them, and Roy could not and that's the determining factor for me.

This isn't as unlikely a fight as we might think either though, they have unfinished business I think even Hops himself said once.