If Pac fights Hatton after Dlh, I'll drop Pac from my top 10 pfp list forever!

[Boofdatruth]

Because correct me if I'm wrong:

-De La Hoya wasn't a major threat like Cotto was at the time
-After De La Hoya he even talked about fighting Hatton for a second time.

You could argue that Mayweather has fought prime fighters, but so has Pacquiao. Sure Morales wasn't in his prime, but Barrera was the first time. Barrera rebounded very well after the demolishin by Pacquiao and got some very good quality wins. Really only Morales was completely shot in the third fight and just a bit shot in the second. Barrera had no desire to win in the second so I don't hold that win to be that impressive.

I agree he needs to fight Marquez a 3rd time. **** it'd probably do better for his resume if he cleared out 135. He's never really done that with a division at all.

Another question. You said this:



So when he retires, he becomes #1 p4p again?

I can't go with talk of a rematch with Hatton or Dlh because it is talk. Those fights never happened. Floyd came looking for Cotto at 140, and was told Cotto wasn't ready. And people forget that Floyd wasn't going to do business with Arum yet many believe Floyd ducked Margs....lol. Comical. Now all of a sudden at that time Cotto is this dangerous 147 lb fighter that is more dangerous than Dlh? Who says? Barrera nor Morales were in their primes the first or second times. Marquez was in his prime for the first fight, and has stayed fighting top level comp after the Norwood loss. Barrera did very well in the rematch against Pac. If Pac fights Marquez again, it's all good, but if he fights Hatton, I'll forget that he ever existed. His next ranking by me will be his ranking as a fighter in history.

[Boofdatruth]

Marquez best wins was against a prime Barrera and Casamayor. Everyone knows that.. A lot of People had MAB winning.. Marquez beat a prime Barrera impressive than Pacquiao beaing A shot MAB in 2003 and Casamayor also who won against Sta. Cruz..

Your first sentence should've gotten you thrown out of this forum.

[warp1432]

I never said that he ducked Cotto, but Cotto was sure as hell a bigger threat then DLH was since Mayweather already had beaten him. We already knew who was better between the two and there was no need for a rematch. Cotto was more dangerous because he was coming off a great win over Shane Mosley too. It's easy to say that he wasn't more dangerous now that Cotto lost to Margarito, but he was. I'm picking Cotto in the rematch against Margarito anyway (mostly because I hate margarito).

And Barrera was in his prime during the first bout. He had been coming off wins over Morales and Hamed. I realize the fact that Morales 2 was disputed, but so was Morales 1 in which he technically lost. Then he went on to beat Morales a third time after he lost to Pacquiao. **** Barrera racked up some decent/good wins after Pacquiao:

Paulie Ayala
Erik Morales
Rocky Juarez x2

Then he got pretty handily beat by Marquez. He didn't do **** against Pacquiao. He won like 3 rounds and he had no desire to even press the action.

[Boofdatruth]

I never said that he ducked Cotto, but Cotto was sure as hell a bigger threat then DLH was since Mayweather already had beaten him. We already knew who was better between the two and there was no need for a rematch. Cotto was more dangerous because he was coming off a great win over Shane Mosley too. It's easy to say that he wasn't more dangerous now that Cotto lost to Margarito, but he was. I'm picking Cotto in the rematch against Margarito anyway (mostly because I hate margarito).

And Barrera was in his prime during the first bout. He had been coming off wins over Morales and Hamed. I realize the fact that Morales 2 was disputed, but so was Morales 1 in which he technically lost. Then he went on to beat Morales a third time after he lost to Pacquiao. **** Barrera racked up some decent/good wins after Pacquiao:

Paulie Ayala
Erik Morales
Rocky Juarez x2

Then he got pretty handily beat by Marquez. He didn't do **** against Pacquiao. He won like 3 rounds and he had no desire to even press the action.

Who said that you said Floyd ducked Cotto? You keep talking about the Dlh rematch, but it didn't happen. I can't talk about things that never happened or what was talked about. Cotto wasn't more dangerous than Dlh before floyd fought him or if the rematch went down, sorry. It seems Cotto was more respected if anything. That is a wash with me. Even before Cotto fought Margs, saying that Cotto was more dangerous than a Dlh that was supposedly rematch Floyd is opinion not fact. But again, I can't talk about something that never happened. You will never convince me that Barrera was in his prime for the PAc fight. He had too many wars and was a shadow of himself in that fight. People say that fight was a beat down by PAc...lol. no it wasn't. I saw a disinterested man going though rumors that his brain was injured and that he was on the down side of a great career. Those 4 fights you named after the Pac loss...lol. You couldn't blow them up with napalm in your palm. As far as the rematch with Pac, go check the fight out again. You will see Pac missing just about all of his punches and that the crowd cheered his every miss. Of course Barrera wasn't going to win unless he ko'd Pac. Barrera press the action? That was the old Barrera before Junior Jones clocked him...

[kenso]

Barrera had no desire to win in the second so I don't hold that win to be that impressive.

thats ****ing ******, barrera was asking for a pacman rematch for the longest time. barrera wanted to win that second one, fact is pacman was just too good... and i like barrera!

if pacman fights JMM and KNOCKS HIM THE **** OUT, youd still have some people talkin **** saying OH PACMAN DIDNT DO THIS AND THAT! pacman made morales and barrera look worse than any other fighter has in a while... i didnt hear anyone bitching about morales and barrera before pac fought them.

regardless, pac has fought JMM twice now, to say hes DODGING is pretty ****ing ******, cause he wouldnt have re matched if he was dodging.

lets just say for one second, that marquez really deserved those decisions (which he didnt, he put a good ass effort, and i dont view him any less for losing pac, but he ****ing lost), and that pac lost both of those fights. WORST CASE scenario, pac is in the spot that JMM is in right now, cause by no means did JMM dominate pac.

so pac is moving up a bunch of weight division to give a fight that FANS WANT TO SEE! oh pac is HELPING BOXING! **** PACMAN, WHY THE **** ARE YOU HELPING BOXING? YOU ARE SUCH A ***** YOU DONT DESERVE TO BE P4P ECT ECT!

****, at least pacman FOUGHT JMM, TWICE! thats more than floyd could have ever said. its not like pac has retired yet! superfights are a GOOD THING! let it happen and stop ****ing crying like a little god damn girl.

[loui_ludwig]

He has been guided by a greedy pig, has not fought more than 2 capable prime fighters, fought 2 H.O.F used up fighters in 7 fights...3 with Morales, 2 with Marquez (the rematch in which he waited to see if Marquez would look old, and then fought him and lost in my eyes), and 2 with Barrera. Ok, I'll take the oldman Dlh fight which will be my last fight I ever purchase with the fraud invlved if he doesn't fight a prime threat. If Pac fights Ricky Hatton after Dlh, I'll remove his fraud ass from my top 10, and won't ever rank the fraud again ever until he is retired or is fighting a threat.

The fans are saddened by your decision.

[gopi11]

He has been guided by a greedy pig, has not fought more than 2 capable prime fighters, fought 2 H.O.F used up fighters in 7 fights...3 with Morales, 2 with Marquez (the rematch in which he waited to see if Marquez would look old, and then fought him and lost in my eyes), and 2 with Barrera. Ok, I'll take the oldman Dlh fight which will be my last fight I ever purchase with the fraud invlved if he doesn't fight a prime threat. If Pac fights Ricky Hatton after Dlh, I'll remove his fraud ass from my top 10, and won't ever rank the fraud again ever until he is retired or is fighting a threat.

As if his opinion counts for something!

[Left Hook Tua]

He has been guided by a greedy pig, has not fought more than 2 capable prime fighters, fought 2 H.O.F used up fighters in 7 fights...3 with Morales, 2 with Marquez (the rematch in which he waited to see if Marquez would look old, and then fought him and lost in my eyes), and 2 with Barrera. Ok, I'll take the oldman Dlh fight which will be my last fight I ever purchase with the fraud invlved if he doesn't fight a prime threat. If Pac fights Ricky Hatton after Dlh, I'll remove his fraud ass from my top 10, and won't ever rank the fraud again ever until he is retired or is fighting a threat.

boof , he's fighting 2 guys that the former #1 p4p guy fought.

oscar , though old and no longer what he once was , is still easily top 10 in the 154 division.

ricky is still the lineal champ at 140 and the top guy in that division.

yes we'd all want to see manny fight the other top guys at 135 but he did beat a 135 title holder in david diaz and say what you want about him he was top 10 at 135 maybe even top 5 depending on whose list.

[BlackHat]

boof please don't drop him, the whole boxing world will be devastated.

[Addition]

This is ridiculous. How can you drop him out of the top 10 for fighting the best fighter at 140? Did you drop Mayweather from your top 10 when he didn't fight a top Welterweight?