“Fighting Words” – Weight, Weight, Don’t Tell Me

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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    “Fighting Words” – Weight, Weight, Don’t Tell Me

    by David P. Greisman - Right decisions don’t necessarily make up for the wrong ones that preceded them.

    That Joan Guzman did not fight Saturday night in Biloxi, Miss., disappointed many, be they members of the state athletic commission, the fans in attendance and watching at home, or Guzman’s opponent, Nate Campbell.

    Campbell is a 36-year-old Floridian who was expecting to make his first defense of the three lightweight titles he took half a year ago from Juan Diaz. Campbell had a wealth of potential opponents, from untested prospects to upcoming contenders. Instead, he would sign to fight Guzman, who had given up his World Boxing Organization 130-pound title in favor of becoming the sanctioning body’s mandatory challenger five pounds north.

    One-hundred-thirty-five. Nate Campbell tipped the scales a shade above that lightweight limit mid-day Friday, dropping two-tenths of a pound half-an-hour later. Guzman came in at 138.5. He never came back.

    Instead, Guzman apparently was taken to a local hospital where he was treated for dehydration. Both sides came to an agreement, an over-the-limit bout similar to that held in October 2005, when Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo met for their rematch. Corrales made 135. Castillo checked in at 138.5. [details]
  • Wrighty
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    I think the real reason Joan pulled outta this fight is because he didn't make weight therefore he would be fined his entire purse 4 the fight. Why put yourself through a hard night if u ain't getting paid for it and there's a chance u could lose. I've seen it so many times before. That's why Castillo didn't even try to get up after the knock down from Hatton, cos he wasn't getting paid, he had lots of fines so why put yourself through a hard night. (would u)

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    • holden007
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      Disgusting

      There is no excuse for Guzman not making weight. It is unprofessional and cowardly. In my opinion, Guzman was afraid to fight. Or at the very least missed weight on purpose. P.S. I know a thing or two about cutting weight.

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      • MANGLER
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        The whole Guzman thing sucks. I can't believe that ****. The whole point of him comin up to 135 was bein at a more comfortable weight.

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        • PRboxingfan
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          #5
          Originally posted by holden007
          There is no excuse for Guzman not making weight. It is unprofessional and cowardly. In my opinion, Guzman was afraid to fight. Or at the very least missed weight on purpose. P.S. I know a thing or two about cutting weight.
          Saying that Guzman was scared and that's why he refused to fight is an ignorant statement, at best. It is the refuge of those haters who are not able to comprehend the intricacies of a fighters health.

          If Guzman was so dehydrated that he needed to go to the hospital, what makes you think he'd be fine to fight the next day? That, coupled with the fines and low purse to begin with, made the decision all the much easier. I would've suggested they not take the fight if I were in Guzman's corner; it's the smart thing to do.

          What Guzman did was wrong, tho, and I'm not advocating for fighters to come in over the weight. The sanctioning bodies should all fine him on his next fight sanctioned by them, and it should be heavy. The bad decisions made by Guzman and his team are inexcusable and shouldn't be tolerated. What I'm saying is that I'd rather not see the fight that night and have it rescheduled than to see a fighter go into the ring when he's not 100% and then get hurt or killed. Not only that, but if both aren't 100% then the fight probably won't be as good as we all had imagined.

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          • seelspeak
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            a no-no in boxing

            boxers who dont make the weight limit should never be allowed to fight at that weight again..guzman surely disappointed a lot of people..he should be suspended for a year.

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            • Pullcounter
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              #7
              Originally posted by Wrighty
              I think the real reason Joan pulled outta this fight is because he didn't make weight therefore he would be fined his entire purse 4 the fight. Why put yourself through a hard night if u ain't getting paid for it and there's a chance u could lose. I've seen it so many times before. That's why Castillo didn't even try to get up after the knock down from Hatton, cos he wasn't getting paid, he had lots of fines so why put yourself through a hard night. (would u)
              if you were a true mexican warrior you'd still fight.

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              • holden007
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                Ignorant? Have you ever cut weight? There is a reason he didn't make weight. He didn't really want to make it. Not making weight is an easy way out of match. He was not willing to make the same effort as Campbell. If the fight would been against Pac... who thinks he would have not made weight? Any takers?

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                • PRboxingfan
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by holden007
                  Ignorant? Have you ever cut weight? There is a reason he didn't make weight. He didn't really want to make it. Not making weight is an easy way out of match. He was not willing to make the same effort as Campbell. If the fight would been against Pac... who thinks he would have not made weight? Any takers?
                  Yes, there is a reason he didn't make weight: he came in too heavy and the training camp was too short. They should've known he wasn't going to make it a few days before, but they decided to try and didn't make it. It's not that he wasn't willing to make the same effort, it's that Campbell was smart and either started training camp earlier or came in lighter (i.e. he worked out in between fights).

                  Guzman should serve a suspension and be fined, that much is clear.

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