Undefeated Jr. Middle Prospects Ready to Shine in 2009!!!

[ThugNificent]

I wouldn't be scared to bet Money against any of these potential bankrupt causing glove lovers...

I have to ask if anyone knows the Amount of Tin cans these money hungry drones have been fed to pump the boat long enough to get to the cash fast?

TINS CANS are part of their diet for the most part... Once I see them dishin out some checks and puttin they necks on the line...I'mma bet yo money and keep mine...


These fighters.. potentially get to the money!

[VanesBoxing]

I wouldn't be scared to bet Money against any of these potential bankrupt causing glove lovers...

I have to ask if anyone knows the Amount of Tin cans these money hungry drones have been fed to pump the boat long enough to get to the cash fast?

TINS CANS are part of their diet for the most part... Once I see them dishin out some checks and puttin they necks on the line...I'mma bet yo money and keep mine...


These fighters.. potentially get to the money!

say what???? :/

hey.. at least you stay true to your screen name

[VanesBoxing]

comin back to this....

look who just met face to face Ringside at Mosley fight this Sat...

The Nightmare & El Perro Angulo... a sign of things to come
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[Silencers]

It's either Kirkland or Angulo.

[Yessum]

all those guys need to step it up possibly against each other. out of all i say kirkland will get KTFO first, exciting figher but lacks defense. he was tagged and stunned by a bum in his last fight.

yes 2009 should be a big year for them
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[Motofan]

Who picked JR?!?! Its between Angulo and Vanes me thinks.

[BennyST]

The whole amateur career thing can come into play but often fighters change their style so much after being in the pro's that winning an amateur fight against someone means very little when they meet in the pro's. It really depends on the fighter's style and if they have changed.

Take the Mosley/Forrest fight. Those two guys didn't actually change their styles a whole lot. They were better versions of what they were in the amateurs and if you knew about what happened in their fight then it would have given you a half-decent understanding of how their fight was likely to play out. For those that don't know, Forrest is the only guy to have knocked Mosley down in the pro's and he was also the only guy to have hurt and knocked Mosley down in the ams.

Speaking of Forrest and the amateurs, another fighter who fought Forrest and had a stunning amateur career, Kostya Tszyu, changed so much after he left the ams that his style was nearly incomparable. He was a slick, ultra fast boxer with great defense and movement that also had very good power but relied completely on his boxing skills. Obviously he became one of the great power punchers of his era but in the ams when he fought Forrest he dominated their fight with speed, combinations, great defensive head movement and all around boxing skills. Their fight in the pro's, if they ever had one, would have been vastly different than that of their am fight.

So, basically what I'm trying to get at, is that sometimes you can make a point for a fighter based on their amateur career, but, very often they become so different that it's impossible to base anything on what they did in the amateurs to what they will do in the pro's.

[The Scientist]

I've seen most of Vane's pro fights and I notice that ever since switching trainers, he's gotten A LOT better. Shields is more compatible with Vanes than Roach was as a trainer, you can see the difference in his fighting. He'll make his presence known soon enough I say.

Yuri Foreman is another fella, good boxer, saw his fight with Andre Tsurkan and it was pretty nice. It's time for some new blood, so I hope many prospects make it through and deliver.

[The Scientist]

The whole amateur career thing can come into play but often fighters change their style so much after being in the pro's that winning an amateur fight against someone means very little when they meet in the pro's. It really depends on the fighter's style and if they have changed.

Take the Mosley/Forrest fight. Those two guys didn't actually change their styles a whole lot. They were better versions of what they were in the amateurs and if you knew about what happened in their fight then it would have given you a half-decent understanding of how their fight was likely to play out. For those that don't know, Forrest is the only guy to have knocked Mosley down in the pro's and he was also the only guy to have hurt and knocked Mosley down in the ams.

Speaking of Forrest and the amateurs, another fighter who fought Forrest and had a stunning amateur career, Kostya Tszyu, changed so much after he left the ams that his style was nearly incomparable. He was a slick, ultra fast boxer with great defense and movement that also had very good power but relied completely on his boxing skills. Obviously he became one of the great power punchers of his era but in the ams when he fought Forrest he dominated their fight with speed, combinations, great defensive head movement and all around boxing skills. Their fight in the pro's, if they ever had one, would have been vastly different than that of their am fight.

So, basically what I'm trying to get at, is that sometimes you can make a point for a fighter based on their amateur career, but, very often they become so different that it's impossible to base anything on what they did in the amateurs to what they will do in the pro's.

Very true.

I'm thinking it has to do with both systems being so different. I was reading an interview Ring Magazine had with Marco Antonio Barrera, and he said that his style was more successful in the pros than it was in the amateurs (this was when he started off as a hunter mind you) once he became an adept at boxing, he became an even more dangerous fighter. Prince Naseem can attest to that. The key elements that re-enforce your chances of winning in the amateurs, are not the biggest factor in the Pro's. The scoring system being a mess in the Ams and the rounds so brief, gives a fighter a sense of urgency and can develop a much more aggressive style. In the Pro's you have much more of a variety in which to do away with your opponent, so I think this encourages a lot of fighters to tweak their fight game and try something different.

[VanesBoxing]

I've seen most of Vane's pro fights and I notice that ever since switching trainers, he's gotten A LOT better. Shields is more compatible with Vanes than Roach was as a trainer, you can see the difference in his fighting. He'll make his presence known soon enough I say.

Yuri Foreman is another fella, good boxer, saw his fight with Andre Tsurkan and it was pretty nice. It's time for some new blood, so I hope many prospects make it through and deliver.

i agree my friend...

Ronnie has settled Vanes down quite a bit... Vanes boxes much much better now but it may have come at the cost of getting quick hard KO's which he used to before with more of a wild puncher style.

I do believe this new boxing style though will get him much further in the division and once he becomes champion, he can remain one for some time...