Manny Pacquiao: Has He Sold Out ? and Is He Really The Best Pound For Pound?

[shadeyfizzle]

Valero and Guzman called PAc out, and he ignored them, and other fighters to keep on fighting the big 3 in 7 fights. In between he kept on fighting inferior comp and the old big 3 which was smart money. What does the entire decade have to do with anything??? And as long as you post your opinion, and no facts about Cal...whatever you say about Cal is your opinion. Cal is undefeated, PAc isn't. Pac's comp is suspect after the big 3 and you know it...lol.

No facts??? I just gave you a big ol blaring fact that Calzaghe, arguably the greatest supermiddleweight champion ever for defending his title for over a decade had never even been the number1 ranked supermiddleweight until the last year and a half of that reign. Check ring mag.

Juan Diaz, a far higher calibur fighter than Guzman or Valero also called out Pacquiao and lost to an even older dude than the "old" 3. Oscar Larios being part of the inferior competiton Pacquiao has faced has been ranked as high as 15 p4p

[Boofdatruth]

No facts??? I just gave you a big ol blaring fact that Calzaghe, arguably the greatest supermiddleweight champion ever for defending his title for over a decade had never even been the number1 ranked supermiddleweight until the last year and a half of that reign. Check ring mag.

Juan Diaz, a far higher calibur fighter than Guzman or Valero also called out Pacquiao and lost to an even older dude than the "old" 3. Oscar Larios being part of the inferior competiton Pacquiao has faced has been ranked as high as 15 p4p

Ring mag?????????????...lol. Ring mag, and Diaz have nothing to do with nothing when discussing Pac and Cal. Cal is the best because he never lost, and his record defenses against good comp. PAc is number 2 because he won and lost fights against the big 3, and because his comp beyond the big 3 is mostly inferior comp.

[shadeyfizzle]

Let me spell it out for you Boof

Calzaghe won his title from Eubank who was not ranked the #1supermiddleweight at the time. Calzaghe himself has never been ranked #1 supermiddleweight until the last year and a half of his over 10yr reign. How can you say his competiton is better than Pacquiao?? You dont reign as a world champ for 8yrs and not even be considered the best fighter in your own division for no reason.

Meanwhile Pac won his 112belt from sasakul who had been ranked #1 in the division by ring mag for a whole year beforehand. won his 122 belt from ledwaba who was the #1 ranked superbantam at the time. Oscar Larios former featherweight titleholder. Holds a victory over Israel Vasquez who is ranked 5th p4p currently by ring mag.

Yes boof. that competiton is really far more suspect than Calzaghe's

[BennyST]

Which fighter that fits this description should he have faced?

The ones he listed. Not that I necessarily agree with the article or anything, but I do think he should have faced more fighters in his weight class. I do believe they have tried to keep him away from boxers though. Not that it's a bad thing ... it has helped to produce some of the more exciting fights in recent years which is all good.

[BennyST]

Juan Diaz, a far higher calibur fighter than Guzman or Valero also called out Pacquiao and lost to an even older dude than the "old" 3.

Just out of curiosity fizzle, what makes you think that Diaz is of "a far higher caliber" than Guzman? Guzman is a two weight world champ, as well as skipping a third weight in which he was basically guaranteed a title, as well as being undefeated and has faced as good comp as Diaz. After his next fight we will certainly know whether he is far inferior.

Diaz is one weight titlist who unified and then was defeated in his last outing. There is nothing at all to suggest, even slightly, that he is of a "far higher caliber". In fact, I would say that Guzman is of a higher caliber than Diaz. Though I don't believe either fighter is of a "far higher caliber".

Side note: Campbell, while being older than the other guys, is not even close to being used up. He is one of those rather odd types that started very late, has not had a lot of mileage due to having had constant brutal wars from his teens and it could even be said he is only now coming into his true peak. Chronological age is vastly different to a fighters old age. Campbell is lucky that he is still fighting at peak at his age whereas someone like Morales was well and truly shot before then. The actual age of a fighter has nothing to do with being shot or old. Morales was a quarter of the fighter he was ten years ago and is 'old' and very shot, yet his chronological age is quite young and certainly younger than Campbell. Campbell, on the other hand, has not even been fighting professionally for ten years!!! Whilst Morales is four years younger than Campbell he was fighting professionally eight years before him!

[El Jesus]

The ones he listed. Not that I necessarily agree with the article or anything, but I do think he should have faced more fighters in his weight class. I do believe they have tried to keep him away from boxers though. Not that it's a bad thing ... it has helped to produce some of the more exciting fights in recent years which is all good.

By arum saying things like "guzman is a runner" and other mundane statements it gives justification as to why he shouldnt fight him. I think that guys like Guzman make for a bad schooling of someone of pacs style and because of his nature to outbox as opposed to slugging it out, i think thats a fight where there is no possible way for pacman to look good. Guzman is the ONE fighter i think pacman has very little chance against, because Guzman has already shown, against good competition, that it takes alot just to get to him and even more to intimidate him.

[cortdawg25]

By arum saying things like "guzman is a runner" and other mundane statements it gives justification as to why he shouldnt fight him. I think that guys like Guzman make for a bad schooling of someone of pacs style and because of his nature to outbox as opposed to slugging it out, i think thats a fight where there is no possible way for pacman to look good. Guzman is the ONE fighter i think pacman has very little chance against, because Guzman has already shown, against good competition, that it takes alot just to get to him and even more to intimidate him.

But yet Pacman is our #1 fighter....a guy that can't even box but slugg. Do you mean to tell me our #1 fighter doesn't have the IQ or ability to cut off the ring and beat a slickster. This is our #1...WTF!!!

[PsYcHoDaD]

People pay to see a fight not a track meet.Thats why Manny is #1 right now .YOu know what you are going to get with Manny and thats a brawl.

[shadeyfizzle]

Actually I dont believe at all that Diaz is a far higher calibur fighter than Guzman. Personally i think Diaz is the most overrated fighter today. But i was trying to prove a point with facts, not ridiculous double standards and opinions. I do believe Diaz has faced far better competition between the 2 as well as have a size advantage, thus posing a bigger threat. And if Pac wasnt afraid of a guy who damn near unified a whole division in his prime then there is no reason he would be afraid of Guzman which boof fails to accept.

And besides...we're only now rounding out the 2nd year of Guzman being a credible opponent for Pac whereas Calzaghe spent the good majority of a decade not fighting the best in his own division which boof cites that all those defenses in a 8yr time span as better competition than Pac has faced and calls Pac a fraud for not facing valero or guzman

[Boofdatruth]

No, because nobody here is talking amateurs.


Besides, the point you're trying to address, isn't even there.

The point is, there aren't many or ever will be many Blacks or american fighters dominating the lower divisions.

Hence, the reason why Manny Pacquiao hasn't fought any.

Ignorant. Truly ignorant.