Manny Pacquiao: Has He Sold Out ? and Is He Really The Best Pound For Pound?

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  • cortdawg25
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    Manny Pacquiao: Has He Sold Out ? and Is He Really The Best Pound For Pound?

    I CAME ACROSS THIS ARTICLE DISCUSSING PACQUIAO AND THE AUTHOR BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY INTERESTING THINGS. HERE CHECK IT OUT AND COMMENT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK.


    25.08.08 - By Michael Herron: It seems everyone has bought into Larry Merchant and HBO's insistence that Pacquiao is the best pound for pound (P4P) fighter in boxing. Yes, Pac is an exciting fighter but are his accomplishments and performances in the ring really up to P4P standards? His claim to the top spot, in my opinion, is largely based on his wins over Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera. Truth is, only his first fight with Barrera is representative of a top P4P fighter performance; which I will describe as beating the best while they are the best. Let’s not forget he lost his first fight with Morales and only beat him after he lost to Raheem. By the time of the rematch Morales was a shot fighter, and the third fight was just unnecessary. In addition, let me add that the Barrera rematch was also unnecessary as Barrera at that time was also far past his prime.

    Looking closer at Pacquiao it seems that whenever he has a not so great performance in the ring, his next fight is usually against an opponent that will make him look good.. After his draw with Marquez, he went and beat up on Fahsan 3K battery; after his loss to Morales, he was matched against an average Hector Velasquez; and finally, after his controversial rematch with Marquez, he faced a mild threat against David Diaz. The point of the soft touches is to keep our friend Larry Merchant, HBO, and Pacquiao’s voracious fan base convinced that “Pacman” is the best.

    The biggest problem is that a top pound for pound fighter should be able to distinguish himself as the best fighter in and around his natural weight class. After two controversial fights with Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao has not proven that he is the better fighter. Many fans, scribes, and boxing analysis agree that Marquez should be 2-0 against Pacquiao. This, in my opinion, is a glaring inconsistency.

    The most recent pound for pound champion, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has often been criticized for his performance in his first fight with Castillo. To solidify his status, however, he immediately rematches Castillo and beat him convincingly. Pacquiao, on the other hand, seems to get a free pass from critics even though he has not beaten Marquez convincingly! So the question is, why is/was Mayweather’s first fight with Castillo constantly brought up in regards to casting doubt toward his pound for pound standings, yet these same critics are willing to disregard Pacquiao’s poor outings versus Marquez?

    And finally in this pound for pound argument, how can the boxing world ignore the fact that Pacquiao has feasted on Mexican fighters who by culture and tradition tend to fight in the same style? Pacquiao, it must be stated, has beaten no top American fighters and has squared off with no pure boxers; in particular, "Black" fighters--Latin, African, or American. Names that immediately come to mind are Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, Zahir Raheem, and even Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

    So to end this argument, I'll give Pacquiao credit as the pound for pound most exciting fighter in boxing, but definitely not the pound for pound best fighter. Now I wouldn't say Marquez is the best pound for pound but as far as skills are concerned he should be rated higher than Pacquiao; and if he beats Casamayor, it will confirm it for me. My suggestion is that the top pound for pound spot remain vacant unless a true pound for pound fighter emerges or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. returns triumphantly to the sport.
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    #2
    a vacant #1 spot......... ****** suggestion

    i think it's fair enough if people put Marquez as #1 on their lists though

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    • Vasyl’s dad
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      #3
      ****** article and even worse point.
      And finally in this pound for pound argument, how can the boxing world ignore the fact that Pacquiao has feasted on Mexican fighters who by culture and tradition tend to fight in the same style? Pacquiao, it must be stated, has beaten no top American fighters and has squared off with no pure boxers; in particular, "Black" fighters--Latin, African, or American. Names that immediately come to mind are Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, Zahir Raheem, and even Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
      How many dominant americans have their been in the divsions 106 through 135?
      How many have even been Black?



      Is it Mexicos fault they happen to produce very talented fighters in the lower weights?


      Its like saying Mayweather shouldn't have been counted as a p4p number 1 because he hasn't faced many top tier Phillipinos.

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      • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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        #4
        Originally posted by cortdawg25
        I CAME ACROSS THIS ARTICLE DISCUSSING PACQUIAO AND THE AUTHOR BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY INTERESTING THINGS. HERE CHECK IT OUT AND COMMENT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK.


        25.08.08 - By Michael Herron: It seems everyone has bought into Larry Merchant and HBO's insistence that Pacquiao is the best pound for pound (P4P) fighter in boxing. Yes, Pac is an exciting fighter but are his accomplishments and performances in the ring really up to P4P standards? His claim to the top spot, in my opinion, is largely based on his wins over Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera. Truth is, only his first fight with Barrera is representative of a top P4P fighter performance; which I will describe as beating the best while they are the best. Let’s not forget he lost his first fight with Morales and only beat him after he lost to Raheem. By the time of the rematch Morales was a shot fighter, and the third fight was just unnecessary. In addition, let me add that the Barrera rematch was also unnecessary as Barrera at that time was also far past his prime.

        Looking closer at Pacquiao it seems that whenever he has a not so great performance in the ring, his next fight is usually against an opponent that will make him look good.. After his draw with Marquez, he went and beat up on Fahsan 3K battery; after his loss to Morales, he was matched against an average Hector Velasquez; and finally, after his controversial rematch with Marquez, he faced a mild threat against David Diaz. The point of the soft touches is to keep our friend Larry Merchant, HBO, and Pacquiao’s voracious fan base convinced that “Pacman” is the best.

        The biggest problem is that a top pound for pound fighter should be able to distinguish himself as the best fighter in and around his natural weight class. After two controversial fights with Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao has not proven that he is the better fighter. Many fans, scribes, and boxing analysis agree that Marquez should be 2-0 against Pacquiao. This, in my opinion, is a glaring inconsistency.

        The most recent pound for pound champion, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has often been criticized for his performance in his first fight with Castillo. To solidify his status, however, he immediately rematches Castillo and beat him convincingly. Pacquiao, on the other hand, seems to get a free pass from critics even though he has not beaten Marquez convincingly! So the question is, why is/was Mayweather’s first fight with Castillo constantly brought up in regards to casting doubt toward his pound for pound standings, yet these same critics are willing to disregard Pacquiao’s poor outings versus Marquez?

        And finally in this pound for pound argument, how can the boxing world ignore the fact that Pacquiao has feasted on Mexican fighters who by culture and tradition tend to fight in the same style? Pacquiao, it must be stated, has beaten no top American fighters and has squared off with no pure boxers; in particular, "Black" fighters--Latin, African, or American. Names that immediately come to mind are Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, Zahir Raheem, and even Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

        So to end this argument, I'll give Pacquiao credit as the pound for pound most exciting fighter in boxing, but definitely not the pound for pound best fighter. Now I wouldn't say Marquez is the best pound for pound but as far as skills are concerned he should be rated higher than Pacquiao; and if he beats Casamayor, it will confirm it for me. My suggestion is that the top pound for pound spot remain vacant unless a true pound for pound fighter emerges or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. returns triumphantly to the sport.

        A terrible article. Not worthy of wiping my ass with. No surprise this was something published on ****sideboxing

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          #5
          Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
          A terrible article. Not worthy of wiping my ass with. No surprise this was something published on ****sideboxing
          nothing compares to boxingscene

          thank god VIVA left for that ****hole, well at least for a while

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          • cortdawg25
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            #6
            Originally posted by bigpoppapump
            a Terrible Article. Not Worthy Of Wiping My Ass With. No Surprise This Was Something Published On ****sideboxing
            Lol. It Is A Lil Biased And Kinda Picking On Pacman, But He Got Point When He Says Pacman Always Follows Up Not So Great Performances With A Whitewashes. Has He Ever Taken An Immediate Rematch? Also Pacman Seems To Only Face Mexican Fighters Who I Must Admit Do All Have Similar Styles. Even Though I Think Marquez Is A Hella Of A Boxer.

            U Gotta Admit There Some Truth To What He Says...atleast Worthy Of Tlaking About?

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            • Vasyl’s dad
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              #7
              Originally posted by cortdawg25
              Also Pacman Seems To Only Face Mexican Fighters Who I Must Admit Do All Have Similar Styles.

              How many dominant americans have their been in the divsions 106 through 135?
              How many have even been Black?

              Which fighter that fits this description should he have faced?

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              • Patrick Bateman
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                #8
                Originally posted by cortdawg25
                lso Pacman Seems To Only Face Mexican Fighters Who I Must Admit Do All Have Similar Styles. Even Though I Think Marquez Is A Hella Of A Boxer.
                Leave it to a Floyd Mayweather fan to make such a ****** and uneducated comment. This article reeks of biased groupie-esque opinion for Floyd.

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                • TheManchine
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                  wow i just read it, it really is a complete and utter heap of ****,

                  i cant remember the last time i read something so bad,

                  i sincerely hope whoever wrote this didnt get paid,

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                  • Eaner0919
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                    #10
                    no not really. To me to generalize the way this guy did really calls into question whether he is a fan of boxing or just a fan of a certain fighter. To say they all fight the same general way is short sighting the opponents Manny faced.

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