Why Do You Think Oscar Will Kill Pac?

**DLT** · 08-28-2008, 07:48 PM

PART 2

Also, Ive said it before and Ill say it again. Pac is not Floyd. Pac is a big dude. He's P4P much bigger then Floyd. He only started off at those lower weights because he was a teenager when he turned pro and he killed himself to make weight. Dude has by far the best body in the sport. Why do you guys think he is the biggest guy at every weight he goes to? He's big man. His legs are huge, he has no fat on his body, he's cut, and he's taller then people give him credit for. He's also got a huge head. The bottom line is that Im saying that I definatly cannot write Pac off after the way he looked against a guy in Forbes who is probably no bigger then Pac himself. Also, is Oscar Margarito or Cotto? By that I mean that he's never been a bully type of fighter so its not like he will put his weight on Pac and use that to his advantage. Everyone thought he was going to do that to Floyd & Forbes and he didnt even come close. Pac is a great mover so Oscar probably wont even be able to use his weight on him. Oscar is far more like Clottey then he is like Margarito or Cotto and you saw how Chico moved up and did solid against Clottey. It will be the same type of thing. He might lose but I dont think it will look completly one sided and embarrasing.

Then you have to think about the fact that the closer the fight is and the logner it goes, the more the pressure all goes on Oscar. Everyone thinks he should knock him out in 2 rounds but if that doesnt happened then Pac will get super confident while Oscar will be discouraged. I also think that Oscar is losing his chin. Im telling you that he's been looking pretty fragile lately like an old guy who cant take much punishment anymore and he looks like some light punches hurt him. Pac can hurt him. Dont be shocked if Pac weighs just as much as Oscar on fight night, looks great with that weight, and looks just as big strong & natural at the weight as Oscar. I think people will be shocked when they see how Pac looks in the ring. Just think about real life guys. Were so use to seeing boxers but think about real life. In the real world a guy can be 5'7 and weight 180 and look great so I think its foolish that people assume that Pac will look too big and uncomfortable at that size

**Guest** · 08-28-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by DLT

Could I see it? Yes, for the same reasons that you all think will happened but I could easily see it going the other way and Im definatly not writing this fight off. I just cant believe that everyone is acting like this isnt even a fight. Again, Oscar could kill him but I could also see Pac winning.

What's super funny to me is that I bet anything that if Pac made a fight right now with Forbes that nearly every fan and media would pick Pac to win that fight and Forbes gave Oscar hell. Dont get me wrong, Im not one for saying that this guy can beat that guy because this other guy came close to him but I do think that fight showed alot of things. I cant believe that some think that Oscar looked great in that fight. He boxed more but he looked horrible to me.

Pac can win. Oscar looked a shell of the guy that fought Floyd and nothing compared to the guy that KO Margarito. He moved down to 150 to fight Forbes and looked like crap. I think people have this thought that Oscar will look great at WW but I think he is a 154 pounder now and he looked very weak against Forbes and I think he will look even weaker this fight at WW. On top of that Forbes hit Oscar more times and more cleaner then nearly anyone ever. He clearly has trouble at that weight and he's clearly a older fighter now. He doesnt have that speed anymore and Pac will land on him. Pac is also a Southpaw which could give Oscar even more problems. On top of that I felt that Floyd was the harder puncher in there fight but just didnt trade enough and Forbes clearly stopped Oscar in his tracks a couple of times and he has no power. I could see Pac maybe not hurting him but having enough pop to where Oscar feels it and because he's a Southpaw, it will hurt even more because you know that he will hit him with some blind shots.

Also, Ive said it before and Ill say it again. Pac is not Floyd. Pac is a big dude. He's P4P much bigger then Floyd. He only started off at those lower weights because he was a teenager when he turned pro and he killed himself to make weight. Dude has by far the best body in the sport. Why do you guys think he is the biggest guy at every weight he goes to? He's big man. His legs are huge, he has no fat on his body, he's cut, and he's taller then people give him credit for. He's also got a huge head. The bottom line is that Im saying that I definatly cannot write Pac off after the way he looked against a guy in Forbes who is probably no bigger then Pac himself. Also, is Oscar Margarito or Cotto? By that I mean that he's never been a bully type of fighter so its not like he will put his weight on Pac and use that to his advantage. Everyone thought he was going to do that to Floyd & Forbes and he didnt even come close. Pac is a great mover so Oscar probably wont even be able to use his weight on him. Oscar is far more like Clottey then he is like Margarito or Cotto and you saw how Chico moved up and did solid against Clottey. It will be the same type of thing. He mightlose but I dont think it will look completly one sided and embarrasing.

Then you have to think about the fact that the closer the fight is and the logner it goes, the more the pressure all goes on Oscar. Everyone thinks he should knock him out in 2 rounds but if that doesnt happened then Pac will get super confident while Oscar will be discouraged. I also think that Oscar is losing his chin. Im telling you that he's been looking pretty fragile lately like an old guy who cant take much punishment anymore and he looks like some light punches hurt him. Pac can hurt him

WTF are you talking about? DLH beat the piss out of Forbes. What rounds if any did Forbes win?
PAC can hurt him. Yeah, only Hopkins hurt him and he was much bigger.
DLH has been in with a ton of bigger guys and suddenly Pac is stronger than them all.
Come on now.

**DLT** · 08-28-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by jreckoning

WTF are you talking about? DLH beat the piss out of Forbes. What rounds if any did Forbes win?
PAC can hurt him. Yeah, only Hopkins hurt him and he was much bigger.
DLH has been in with a ton of bigger guys and suddenly Pac is stronger than them all.
Come on now.

Even when Forbes wasnt winning rounds, its not like Oscar was just killing him during the round. Oscar probably won most of all of them but they were completely competitve. Plus, I still felt he tired at the end. Oscar has been in with bigger guys but he was younger, fresher, and more comfortable at the weight. Oscar doesnt like to be hit anymore and I think he cant fight under 154 anymore. He will be weaker and older and more fragile

**Guest** · 08-28-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by DLT

Even when Forbes wasnt winning rounds, its not like Oscar was just killing him during the round. Oscar probably won most of all of them but they were completely competitve. Plus, I still felt he tired at the end. Oscar has been in with bigger guys but he was younger, fresher, and more comfortable at the weight. Oscar doesnt like to be hit anymore and I think he cant fight under 154 anymore. He will be weaker and older and more fragile

You know what. Forbes is a seasoned pro with awesome skills and he still didn't win rounds. Big deal if they were competitive, he still lost them.
Oscar doesn't like to be hit. You act like he's Cory Spinks.

Come on now. I like Pac but he didn't knock out Marquez or guys so much smaller.
DLH fought Trindiad for christsakes. You think he would be afraid of Pac's power when he faced Hop, Trinidad, Vargas, and Quartey just for starters.

Weaker and older. You act like he's 90.

You think he will lay down against a 135 pounder.

Man, pass me some of what you're smoking.

**DLT** · 08-28-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by jreckoning

You know what. Forbes is a seasoned pro with awesome skills and he still didn't win rounds. Big deal if they were competitive, he still lost them.
Oscar doesn't like to be hit. You act like he's Cory Spinks.

Come on now. I like Pac but he didn't knock out Marquez or guys so much smaller.
DLH fought Trindiad for christsakes. You think he would be afraid of Pac's power when he faced Hop, Trinidad, Vargas, and Quartey just for starters.

Weaker and older. You act like he's 90.

You think he will lay down against a 135 pounder.

Man, pass me some of what you're smoking.

All of you guys just look at stuff in black & white but things are deeper then that. He's not that same guy. He's not the same guy who fought Sweet Pea, Tito, or whoever. Did you see the way that Forbes busted him up? He broke a bone in his face and battered his face way more then Tito or any of those other guys did so what does that say. Dont just take the things that make your argument. You have to look at the total picture. Floyd looked like he was fighting at half speed and he still hit Oscar nearly any time he wanted and stopped him in his tracks on some shots and he's not a big puncher. RJ fought HW's but was KO cold by Johnson. These things happened when fighters get older and more fragile. JMM is a totally different fight then the Oscar fight. JMM is a pure boxer while Oscar will be trying to walk Pac down which will make him easier to hit

**Guest** · 08-28-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by DLT

All of you guys just look at stuff in black & white but things are deeper then that. He's not that same guy. He's not the same guy who fought Sweet Pea, Tito, or whoever. Did you see the way that Forbes busted him up? He broke a bone in his face and battered his face way more then Tito or any of those other guys did so what does that say. Dont just take the things that make your argument. You have to look at the total picture. Floyd looked like he was fighting at half speed and he still hit Oscar nearly any time he wanted and stopped him in his tracks on some shots and he's not a big puncher. RJ fought HW's but was KO cold by Johnson. These things happened when fighters get older and more fragile.

You think I am not deep. Thanks man.
I am a rabid fan who has interest in all fighters. That's kind of insulting saying I look at things in back and white.
You have the nerve to say the pound for pound best fighter in the world, Floyd looked like he was at half-speed against DLH. Come on now. Not many can catch Floyd cuz the dude has skills.

And you're RJJ part, you act like he fought a killer, newsflash he fought Ruiz the night after Ruiz was up till 4 am on a domestic battery beef reported by his wife. Did he dare try anyone else after? Hell no.

The one thing I have to say is that Pac has nothing to lose, and it's absolutely no disgrace if he gets ko'ed.

**Guest** · 08-28-2008, 08:24 PM

Scores of Forbes-DLH fight.
DLH 120-108, 119-109, 119-109.

Yeah Forbes really messed him up. Loses 11 rounds to 1 and 2 cards a shutout on the third, and DLH supposedly had a broken face.

Come on now

**DLT** · 08-28-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by jreckoning

Scores of Forbes-DLH fight.
DLH 120-108, 119-109, 119-109.

Yeah Forbes really messed him up. Loses 11 rounds to 1 and 2 cards a shutout on the third, and DLH supposedly had a broken face.

Come on now

oh, so now you always agree with the judges scores or just when they benefit your argument. I dont remember how I scored it but I think I gave Forbes a few rounds. Again though, even if I only gave him 1, I still think alot of the rounds were competitive. You act like youve never seen a fight like that before where a guy wins nearly every round but still had some problems during the fight and was in a tough fight.

**Guest** · 08-28-2008, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by DLT

oh, so now you always agree with the judges scores or just when they benefit your argument. I dont remember how I scored it but I think I gave Forbes a few rounds. Again though, even if I only gave him 1, I still think alot of the rounds were competitive. You act like youve never seen a fight like that before where a guy wins nearly every round but still had some problems during the fight and was in a tough fight.

Forbes got beat up. You know it I know it, all know it.
DLH had a ton of fights way tougher than Forbes.
Pac has not had a fight that will be as tough as DLH.
He's the underdog in every way shape and form.
Competitive doesn't even matter when you lose them all.

If you want to bet me cash, I am all ears.

Why Do You Think Oscar Will Kill Pac?