There is no such thing as "the" pound-for-pound list

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  • The Surgeon
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    #21
    Originally posted by tyson
    I know that.

    For the sake of non-argument.
    What the are u boys on about!??

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      #22
      No one has Yao Ming in their P4P list. Very disappointing

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      • tyson
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        #23
        Originally posted by The Surgeon
        What the are u boys on about!??
        Who cares, it makes perfect sense.

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        • kayjay
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          #24
          Originally posted by tyson
          Pound for pound was originally created with the intention to rate people across weightclasses. Nr.1 would be the one who was most likely to beat every other fighter in every weightclass if they were the same weight naturally.

          You just demonstrated Kayjay's points.
          Exactly. There are different ways of understanding it, none of them definitive.

          Even if there were agreement on criteria, compiling the list would still be hypothetical. How do you compare dominance at HW to domainance at WW? People will say WW is a stronger division, but how do you determine that? There is no way to do so.

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            #25
            Originally posted by tyson
            Who cares, it makes perfect sense.
            In the un - arguement sense yes.

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            • Nacho_Analstain
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              #26
              Originally posted by Hitman932
              your mum's car and a golf ball are the only items on your list that could score a knockout.... of course they couldn't do it alone, they need the help of a dirty, rotten chav.
              I'd have you.

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              • mojack
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                #27
                Originally posted by tyson
                Pound for pound was originally created with the intention to rate people across weightclasses. Nr.1 would be the one who was most likely to beat every other fighter in every weightclass if they were the same weight naturally.

                You just demonstrated Kayjay's points.
                No....

                Origin of the term

                It is often said to have been created to describe world Welterweight and Middleweight champion Sugar Ray Robinson. Robinson is one of the most accomplished fighter of the modern era, but his supporters realised that, while he could beat anyone in his own class, as a Middleweight he would not be able to beat a top Heavyweight. Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him.

                It's nothing to do with "if kelly was a heavyweight he's beat Wlad like a dog"

                If that were true what's that relative too? how an earth can you make that assumption? if Pav was a heavyweight he'd beat Wlad like a dog?
                That's like saying if my remote control car was the size of a real car it would be a lot faster.

                You're totally misunderstanding what P4P means

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                • Nacho_Analstain
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by mojack
                  No....

                  Origin of the term

                  It is often said to have been created to describe world Welterweight and Middleweight champion Sugar Ray Robinson. Robinson is one of the most accomplished fighter of the modern era, but his supporters realised that, while he could beat anyone in his own class, as a Middleweight he would not be able to beat a top Heavyweight. Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him.

                  It's nothing to do with "if kelly was a heavyweight he's beat Wlad like a dog"

                  If that were true what's that relative too? how an earth can you make that assumption? if Pav was a heavyweight he'd beat Wlad like a dog?
                  That's like saying if my remote control car was the size of a real car it would be a lot faster.

                  You're totally misunderstanding what P4P means
                  The point is that there isn't a point, There is no definition for the term P4P.

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                  • mojack
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by tyson
                    Pound for pound was originally created with the intention to rate people across weightclasses. Nr.1 would be the one who was most likely to beat every other fighter in every weightclass if they were the same weight naturally.

                    You just demonstrated Kayjay's points.
                    No....

                    Origin of the term

                    It is often said to have been created to describe world Welterweight and Middleweight champion Sugar Ray Robinson. Robinson is one of the most accomplished fighter of the modern era, but his supporters realised that, while he could beat anyone in his own class, as a Middleweight he would not be able to beat a top Heavyweight. Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him.

                    It's nothing to do with "if kelly was a heavyweight he's beat Wlad like a dog"

                    If that were true what's that relative too? how an earth can you make that assumption? if Pav was a heavyweight he'd beat Wlad like a dog?
                    That's like saying if my remote control car was the size of a real car it would be a lot faster.

                    You're totally misunderstanding what P4P means.

                    P4P lists should be separate lists for each division. you can't mix them, that makes no sense.

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                    • tyson
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by mojack
                      No....

                      Origin of the term

                      It is often said to have been created to describe world Welterweight and Middleweight champion Sugar Ray Robinson. Robinson is one of the most accomplished fighter of the modern era, but his supporters realised that, while he could beat anyone in his own class, as a Middleweight he would not be able to beat a top Heavyweight. Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him.

                      It's nothing to do with "if kelly was a heavyweight he's beat Wlad like a dog"

                      If that were true what's that relative too? how an earth can you make that assumption? if Pav was a heavyweight he'd beat Wlad like a dog?
                      That's like saying if my remote control car was the size of a real car it would be a lot faster.

                      You're totally misunderstanding what P4P means.

                      P4P lists should be separate lists for each division. you can't mix them, that makes no sense.
                      You are dense. I'll leave it at that.

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