Pac-Man vs. The Prince

[Dynamite Kid]

which is essential if they ever fought because it would probably become his strategy when the bell rung...both man can crack, that's proven...the underlying factor would be the speed...not really sure if he can back up and set up those counters with that type of velocity and relentlessness coming at him...

why Hamed is a good counter puncher and Pacquaio is not the most intelligent fighter IMO he tends to fire in straight lines and his hooks are virtually non existent he is all 1 ,2 Hamed would just step away from his left hand and clobber hit with the big right hook

[Dynamite Kid]

which is essential if they ever fought because it would probably become his strategy when the bell rung...both man can crack, that's proven...the underlying factor would be the speed...not really sure if he can back up and set up those counters with that type of velocity and relentlessness coming at him...

however that is a very good and valid point

[-MAKAVELLI-]

why Hamed is a good counter puncher and Pacquaio is not the most intelligent fighter IMO he tends to fire in straight lines and his hooks are virtually non existent he is all 1 ,2 Hamed would just step away from his left hand and clobber hit with the big right hook

are we talkin about 2003 manny or the one now against hamed?

[Left Hook Tua]

why Hamed is a good counter puncher and Pacquaio is not the most intelligent fighter IMO he tends to fire in straight lines and his hooks are virtually non existent he is all 1 ,2 Hamed would just step away from his left hand and clobber hit with the big right hook

accurate assessment about 2-3 years ago.

manny has developed a right hook since the 1st morales fight. ask juan ma.

[Left Hook Tua]

are we talkin about 2003 manny or the one now against hamed?

that's what i thought too when i read that.

he needs ask morales after the 2nd and 3rd fight if manny still doesn't use his right hook.

[Dynamite Kid]

are we talkin about 2003 manny or the one now against hamed?

now or then i admit Manny has improved but its a little infair to take Manny today and Hamed of then because Hamed was not at his peak then either because he never fought long enough to reach his full potential

[Left Hook Tua]

now or then i admit Manny has improved but its a little infair to take Manny today and Hamed of then because Hamed was not at his peak then either because he never fought long enough to reach his full potential

hamed already peaked. he burnt out too soon because of his lifestyle outside the ring.

i compare hamed to a tyson as far as prime.

when he fought kelley he was already on the decline imo.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

that's what i thought too when i read that.

he needs ask morales after the 2nd and 3rd fight if manny still doesn't use his right hook.

i'll tell you what tho, if it were 2003 manny, that would be one heckuva firefight...with that manny vs prime hamed, it becomes a matter of whoever lands the money punch...2008 manny would overwhelm him with angles and hooks IMO....people tend to neglect Hamed's lack of boxing fundamental and are just enamored with the power, which i dont blame them, he looked like a ****ing god KOing manchester cab drivers...but he never had the footwork that would allow him to utilize the lateral movement a fighter needs to negate PAC...especially the 2008 version

[-MAKAVELLI-]

now or then i admit Manny has improved but its a little infair to take Manny today and Hamed of then because Hamed was not at his peak then either because he never fought long enough to reach his full potential

i forget his name i think it was ingle but when he left him, it was all downhill from there..he had great potential and had the hype to be really something

[Left Hook Tua]

i'll tell you what tho, if it were 2003 manny, that would be one heckuva firefight...with that manny vs prime hamed, it becomes a matter of whoever lands the money punch...2008 manny would overwhelm him with angles and hooks IMO....people tend to neglect Hamed's lack of boxing fundamental and are just enamored with the power, which i dont blame them, he looked like a ****ing god KOing manchester cab drivers...but he never had the footwork that would allow him to utilize the lateral movement a fighter needs to negate PAC...especially the 2008 version

that's why i voted hamed.

at 126 it'll be that manny.

manny didn't really improve his right 'til the loss to erik at 130.