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[crillz]

Waddup guys, I see too many threads to just run threw each of them so I just made another thread to write what I feel on boxing today..

On Cotto-Margarito
..1st off I don't like how people just brushed off Cotto like some battle scarred warrior who quit and wont be the same, this just isn't the case. honestly in a rematch, knowing what he knows now, I think Cotto will adjust better and attack his body more, not be so defensive just a lot smarter than him offensive, plant his feet and exchange a bit OFF the ropes so Tony can open himself up and just hit him with the smarter punches. Cotto can do this.

I like Antonio Margarito, lets get this 100% clear but above him and anyone else I like Boxing, thats the real interests here so I ain't gonna say **** to favoritize ****. I truly feel Cotto was just overwhelmed. example, the other day I'm playing basketball, my homeboy who is a lot smaller than me tried to take it into the lane and BOOM he runs into me, he tries to cross mer and get around and BOOM he hit's my chest like a wall. now mind you we talking about someone who can really play, skilled and all but once I derailed his mental focus he wasn't even trying to take it down the lane, he didn't find openings because he didn't continue looking for them he just started shooting perimeter shots all game. this is a similar situation to Cotto who brought everything he should have but once he got hit mentally it was a wrap, he couldn't find himself off those ropes and all his punches were thrown at the face.

then, check it out, me and my homeboy play again and this time he actually able to cross me, he was more aggressive because he had time to think what he did wrong, he came back better prepared for my repetitive moves. true story btw... I can see Cotto doing that to Tony, analyzing his mistakes and correcting them in a rematch. all Tony did was throw punches, they hurt like hell no doubt but his TKO loss wasn't a chin issue, it was a fatigue issue. he could have taken the punches had he been better conditioned but he spent himself early on with his unnecessary upper lateral movement, also he didn't make it hard on Tony because all Tony was doing is what he been doing his whole life, taking punches and just out gunning his opponent and Cotto didn't make that hard for him, in a rematch though I see a different outcome.

Regardless I just think it's bull**** how one day Cotto is the best fighter and everybody is sucking his **** and now all of a sudden he's a quitter, ya *****z be mad hipocritical on here, some of ya stood true but there been many who threw themselves out there.. a great fighter NEEDS a loss, this is how he can truly prove his greatness. if you can rise from the slump, a hole in which you ain't top 10 pound for pound n more yet can comeback and regain your glory, thats a champions story and Cotto is that. 100

[DanielTurcotte3]

Waddup guys, I see too many threads to just run threw each of them so I just made another thread to write what I feel on boxing today..

On Cotto-Margarito
..1st off I don't like how people just brushed off Cotto like some battle scarred warrior who quit and wont be the same, this just isn't the case. honestly in a rematch, knowing what he knows now, I think Cotto will adjust better and attack his body more, not be so defensive just a lot smarter than him offensive, plant his feet and exchange a bit OFF the ropes so Tony can open himself up and just hit him with the smarter punches. Cotto can do this.

I like Antonio Margarito, lets get this 100% clear but above him and anyone else I like Boxing, thats the real interests here so I ain't gonna say **** to favoritize ****. I truly feel Cotto was just overwhelmed. example, the other day I'm playing basketball, my homeboy who is a lot smaller than me tried to take it into the lane and BOOM he runs into me, he tries to cross mer and get around and BOOM he hit's my chest like a wall. now mind you we talking about someone who can really play, skilled and all but once I derailed his mental focus he wasn't even trying to take it down the lane, he didn't find openings because he didn't continue looking for them he just started shooting perimeter shots all game. this is a similar situation to Cotto who brought everything he should have but once he got hit mentally it was a wrap, he couldn't find himself off those ropes and all his punches were thrown at the face.

then, check it out, me and my homeboy play again and this time he actually able to cross me, he was more aggressive because he had time to think what he did wrong, he came back better prepared for my repetitive moves. true story btw... I can see Cotto doing that to Tony, analyzing his mistakes and correcting them in a rematch. all Tony did was throw punches, they hurt like hell no doubt but his TKO loss wasn't a chin issue, it was a fatigue issue. he could have taken the punches had he been better conditioned but he spent himself early on with his unnecessary upper lateral movement, also he didn't make it hard on Tony because all Tony was doing is what he been doing his whole life, taking punches and just out gunning his opponent and Cotto didn't make that hard for him, in a rematch though I see a different outcome.

Regardless I just think it's bull**** how one day Cotto is the best fighter and everybody is sucking his **** and now all of a sudden he's a quitter, ya *****z be mad hipocritical on here, some of ya stood true but there been many who threw themselves out there.. a great fighter NEEDS a loss, this is how he can truly prove his greatness. if you can rise from the slump, a hole in which you ain't top 10 pound for pound n more yet can comeback and regain your glory, thats a champions story and Cotto is that. 100

Cotto will always be the bigger draw outta the two, the more skilled fighter outta the two and the biggest NAME outta the two.

Marg had a great night, take nothing away from him. But I personally see him as a 1 dimensional fighter. And lets face it if the boy didn't have a granite chin, he'd be in some deep waters. He doesn't possess the ability to box anyone. And his defense involves him being blasted with clean shot after clean shot. How many clean shots can this man take?!?!

I think a better boxer, ALA a Floyd, or even Kendall Holt for that matter gives Margarito a lot of problems. Also I think he's got a bigger fish to fry in Daniel Santos. Something he needs to do eventually is move up to 154 and fight that man that beat him. I think that PWILL gives him a tough fight once again, but Marg has that ability to bum rush him over the last 6-7 rounds.

I don't see Clottey beating Marg, I just think that his spurts aren't enough. He can't seem to muster a sustained attack on a fighter for over a 12 round period. Same can be said for Marg, but once that 5/6th rounds come, he's nonstop, pressuring and landed punches.

I would favor Floyd and PWill.
Give Holt and Clottey a small chance.

Cotto will be here for years to come. He's a highly skilled fighter, who IMO needs to bring someone in like a Roach or a Steward to really sharpen his skills. His ring generalship and his ability to slip punches has always been a problem for me. He just seemingly gets his with clean shots. I don't think that Evangelisto can sharpen his all round defense prowess. In many cases once a fighter tastes defeat, it's like a light going off or something. Cotto will be back and with avengeance.

[crillz]

On recent back and fourth negotiations.

..I'm having a hard time accepting this ****. back and fourth for weeks on in we been getting talks of De La Hoya, Margarito and Williams and nothing has yet to be established, cool I can live with that but with all these recent arguments from all sides who is the liar? someone has to be bull****ting, they can't all be right. I personally feel like Margarito is now the man to beat, I can understand why before Williams wasn't rushing and now is because money talks and bull**** walks, it makes more sense for him to face Williams because they are 2 champion and it will help the unification process along.

besides Paul is a better match for Tony. Oscar clearly doesn't want to face him, at least by what I have observed in recent weeks so why not fight Williams? it's the only other fight out there right now besides the Cotto rematch, as a man whose starved his whole life to get his spot the least he can do is honor his struggle by granting a chance to the man who gave you your chance, lost and is now in that same hole you once were in a rematch. if Tony is a man he will allow Cotto a chance at redemption, I'll lose a LARGE amount of respect if he doesn't. there's also Shane, Clottey, Collazo, Berto, Quintana, Bonsu and many others but Tony should face and erase Paul Williams 1st and then go harder at De La Hoya.

I think all these negotiations are annoying, they know what the people want, they just refuse to give it to us. ain't no surprise Margarito got a hard on for Oscar and Oscar got a limp **** for Tony but fact remains evident until those papers are signed ain't nothing coming out of that so all these threads and articles everywhere about the beefin going on is annoying, it's leads us nowhere and creates massive amounts of ignorance amongst members here. all this **** talk back and fourth dies like it never happened once those papers get signed so from now to that signing date they should all just shut the **** up, we want to see a fight with hands not with words and thats all these guys been doing for weeks already, just talking. anyone else annoyed by this?

[alt-mellow]

Cotto will always be the bigger draw outta the two, the more skilled fighter outta the two and the biggest NAME outta the two.

Marg had a great night, take nothing away from him. But I personally see him as a 1 dimensional fighter. And lets face it if the boy didn't have a granite chin, he'd be in some deep waters. He doesn't possess the ability to box anyone. And his defense involves him being blasted with clean shot after clean shot. How many clean shots can this man take?!?!

I think a better boxer, ALA a Floyd, or even Kendall Holt for that matter gives Margarito a lot of problems. Also I think he's got a bigger fish to fry in Daniel Santos. Something he needs to do eventually is move up to 154 and fight that man that beat him. I think that PWILL gives him a tough fight once again, but Marg has that ability to bum rush him over the last 6-7 rounds.

I don't see Clottey beating Marg, I just think that his spurts aren't enough. He can't seem to muster a sustained attack on a fighter for over a 12 round period. Same can be said for Marg, but once that 5/6th rounds come, he's nonstop, pressuring and landed punches.

I would favor Floyd and PWill.
Give Holt and Clottey a small chance.

Cotto will be here for years to come. He's a highly skilled fighter, who IMO needs to bring someone in like a Roach or a Steward to really sharpen his skills. His ring generalship and his ability to slip punches has always been a problem for me. He just seemingly gets his with clean shots. I don't think that Evangelisto can sharpen his all round defense prowess. In many cases once a fighter tastes defeat, it's like a light going off or something. Cotto will be back and with avengeance.

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[-Antonio-]

I think people should just let the Welterweight division play out. It takes years for this **** to unfold. Dont get so up and arms about rematches and what not, just enjoy the show. It's not like we have two top guys that need to fight. We have a deep division that can showcase plenty of compelling maches.

Pavlik/Hopkins is an interesting matchup because Pavlik hasnt faced anyone who can move or give angles like B Hop. And regardless of what you want to say about how effective Hops is offensively, he can still defend with the best of them.

Abraham and Kessler need to fight an elite fighter, not stay at home and fight mandatories. Why not fight eachother?

I want Pacquiao to stay fighting in the Lightweight division because there's so much potential for exciting fights, like Katsidis/Diaz which could be fight of the year.

I dont want to see Izzy and Marquez fight again. They should fight some of these other guys in the division or near it.

[cortdawg25]

i DON'T THINK COTTO NEEDS TO PLANT HIS FEET AND SIT ON HIS PUNCHES MORE. I THIN HE NEEDS TO MIX IT UP MORE. HE NEEDS TO JAB MORE AND PUNCH WHILE FLEEING AND THAT WAY HE CAN STAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING AND USE HIS GREATER TALENT IN HIS FAVOR. HE ALSO DIDN'T TIE UP WHEN IN TROUBLE. HE BASICALLY FOUGHT A DUMB FIGHT AND LOSSED IT MORE THAN MARGARITO WON IT.

COTTO JUST ISN'T AS MENTALLY STRONG AS I THOUGHT AND NOT VERY SMART OF A FIGHTER. HIS CONDITIONING DEFINITELY BETRAYED HIM AT THE WRONG TIME AND AGAINST A FINISHER TOO. I THINK THIS LOSS WILL HAVE MORE OF IMPACT THAN U THINK CRILLZ.....BUT WE'LL SEE IF HE BOUNCES BACK AND BECOMES A BOXER PUNCHER INSTEAD OF JUST A PUNCHER AND HOPEFULLY HE'LL PREPRARE FOR 12RDS AND NOT JUST KO LIKE HIS PREVIOUS FIGHTS.

[crillz]

Cotto will always be the bigger draw outta the two, the more skilled fighter outta the two and the biggest NAME outta the two.

Marg had a great night, take nothing away from him. But I personally see him as a 1 dimensional fighter. And lets face it if the boy didn't have a granite chin, he'd be in some deep waters. He doesn't possess the ability to box anyone. And his defense involves him being blasted with clean shot after clean shot. How many clean shots can this man take?!?!

I think a better boxer, ALA a Floyd, or even Kendall Holt for that matter gives Margarito a lot of problems. Also I think he's got a bigger fish to fry in Daniel Santos. Something he needs to do eventually is move up to 154 and fight that man that beat him. I think that PWILL gives him a tough fight once again, but Marg has that ability to bum rush him over the last 6-7 rounds.

I don't see Clottey beating Marg, I just think that his spurts aren't enough. He can't seem to muster a sustained attack on a fighter for over a 12 round period. Same can be said for Marg, but once that 5/6th rounds come, he's nonstop, pressuring and landed punches.

I would favor Floyd and PWill.
Give Holt and Clottey a small chance.

Cotto will be here for years to come. He's a highly skilled fighter, who IMO needs to bring someone in like a Roach or a Steward to really sharpen his skills. His ring generalship and his ability to slip punches has always been a problem for me. He just seemingly gets his with clean shots. I don't think that Evangelisto can sharpen his all round defense prowess. In many cases once a fighter tastes defeat, it's like a light going off or something. Cotto will be back and with avengeance.

great post bro, I completely agree. this was one of them Giants VS Patriots moments that only come when they come because skillwise and anywise you can name Cotto was better by a mile it's just once he hit that mental defecit he lost. I still feel his loss had MORE to do with his OWN mistakes more so over what Tony was doing, when fell it's wasn't due to injury it was fatigue. his legs gave out on him and his arms were 100 pounds each so by the time 11th round cam Tony didn't even have to throw a punch if he didn't want to Cotto took the knees. punches or no punches I think it was just his fatigue.

now don't get me wrong I ain't saying Tony's punches don't hurt or didn't hurt but I think that Cotto when in competitive form can handle it it's just he can't stay fully competitive for 12, he got heart, he fights back but as the fight ascends he slowly deteriorates on his own. against tony it showed, there was almost an urgency in the Cotto corner and it showed in his fight game. something wasn't straight up there with Cotto and I just want to see this rematch, Cotto deserves it for even giving Margarito the time of day. Floyd turned him down, Mosley turned him down and Cotto signs to fight him twice. out of the pack Cotto wasn't one of the guys that was going to say no yet he was the best of them all, if that doesn't deserve the respect of a rematch I don't know what then.

Tony is so 1 dimensional it ain't even funny, like this guy is truly a 1 way fighter. a straight up smart brawler. he wilds out with his shots a lot but once he finds a punch that works he sticks with it, he still wails off reckless completely but he'll throw that money punch in the mix, I commend him for that but overall a Boxer in todays Boxing world his skills don't match up to the other notable names. his natural strength, size and ability to take a shot saves him more so over his ability to fight. it doesn't take much to take and give, infact if you bring no skills thats exactly whats going to happen and thats only if you decent enough to not JUST get hit.

[TEXSTRO]

Cotto cannot beat Margo in a rematch...People dont understand what kind of MENTAL Beatdown he received. When you answer the bell and you know your not going to stop or hurt the guy accross you it gets in your head. HE can try a new game plan either way....Physically he good its in his head we need to worry about. You cant improveon Cottos fight plan it was perfect for 6 rds. If he waits to look for opening and so forth he will get hit. Margo wont allow any game plan to work. His relentlessness,heart and chin will not alow for cotto to execute.

[crillz]

i DON'T THINK COTTO NEEDS TO PLANT HIS FEET AND SIT ON HIS PUNCHES MORE. I THIN HE NEEDS TO MIX IT UP MORE. HE NEEDS TO JAB MORE AND PUNCH WHILE FLEEING AND THAT WAY HE CAN STAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING AND USE HIS GREATER TALENT IN HIS FAVOR. HE ALSO DIDN'T TIE UP WHEN IN TROUBLE. HE BASICALLY FOUGHT A DUMB FIGHT AND LOSSED IT MORE THAN MARGARITO WON IT.

COTTO JUST ISN'T AS MENTALLY STRONG AS I THOUGHT AND NOT VERY SMART OF A FIGHTER. HIS CONDITIONING DEFINITELY BETRAYED HIM AT THE WRONG TIME AND AGAINST A FINISHER TOO. I THINK THIS LOSS WILL HAVE MORE OF IMPACT THAN U THINK CRILLZ.....BUT WE'LL SEE IF HE BOUNCES BACK AND BECOMES A BOXER PUNCHER INSTEAD OF JUST A PUNCHER AND HOPEFULLY HE'LL PREPRARE FOR 12RDS AND NOT JUST KO LIKE HIS PREVIOUS FIGHTS.

you really think so? I don't know I just think that due to the obvious mistakes he made I think with a reformed game plan and a fresh crack at Tony I think he'll be better prepared to win.. the part I put in bold is my feelings about this whole ordeal wrapped in a nutshell, very well put accept I don't think he fought a dumb fight he just fought the wrong fight, see even with so many mistakes he was still making Tony's head jerk back every second, it was his fight to win all he had to do was Box correctly and stay off them ropes where the hardest punches landed. if he can do this then I smell a trilogy.. btw I don't think this will change Cotto, I think he gonna get stronger. he now knows his breaking point now so I think he'll be ready fight well enough not to reach it again. 100

[-Antonio-]

Cotto should have clinched a lot more. That's all there is to it. He could have won without body punching.