Margarito will not excel NORTH of 147

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  • ANDROID_DOES
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    #21
    Originally posted by ICANTLIE
    P4P was made to place Sugar Ray Robinsons place in the sport. P4P means, (regardless of weight) your skill set would be great in any given weight class. Just because the list has gone away from that in recent years doesnt change the fact that fighters like Margarito, Cotto, & Hatton should not be on that list. Yes P4P was based on a mythical stand point, with that being said if a fighter goes up in weight & gets rolled over, he by definition is not P4P worthy.
    i've never seen the p4p rankings as people that can move up in weight and win. P4P is a list of fighters by skill with out the division rankings. Kind of like an overall rating of their skills.

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      #22
      He ain't great now, he's just tough as ****. And I could see him winnin some belts at 154 eventually. Any higher than that is a mistake tho. No need for him to move up now anyway.

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        #23
        Originally posted by -ROGELIO-
        i've never seen the p4p rankings as people that can move up in weight and win. P4P is a list of fighters by skill with out the division rankings. Kind of like an overall rating of their skills.
        It seems people have missed the meaning of "POUND FOR POUND" I will put all my points on it right now that I'm right on the subject. The **** has become so jaded that people dont remember what the original meaning behind it was.

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          #24
          Originally posted by ICANTLIE
          It seems people have missed the meaning of "POUND FOR POUND" I will put all my points on it right now that I'm right on the subject. The **** has become so jaded that people dont remember what the original meaning behind it was.
          Pound for pound means skill regardless of weight. I have always looked at it like this. I think most people do.

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            #25
            Originally posted by -ROGELIO-
            Pound for pound means skill regardless of weight. I have always looked at it like this. I think most people do.
            I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. We have to different interpertations. To me, pound 4 pound means all things being equal. Thats says to me, regardless of weight, Margaritos skills would still be great. I dont see it that way.

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              #26
              Originally posted by ICANTLIE
              I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. We have to different interpertations. To me, pound 4 pound means all things being equal. Thats says to me, regardless of weight, Margaritos skills would still be great. I dont see it that way.
              ok so you're saying margarito shouldn't be on there because he wouldnt be able to move up in weight? Is there ten boxers that are more skilled than margarito? certainly! Is there ten boxers that have all the other intangibles that he does? I don't know. I think he deserves to be on the list. how high? now that's a different question. Especially if you're going by skill regardless of weight class.

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                #27
                Originally posted by -ROGELIO-
                ok so you're saying margarito shouldn't be on there because he wouldnt be able to move up in weight? Is there ten boxers that are more skilled than margarito? certainly! Is there ten boxers that have all the other intangibles that he does? I don't know. I think he deserves to be on the list. how high? now that's a different question. Especially if you're going by skill regardless of weight class.
                From watching him what skills does he have really? I dont want to come off as a hater but his toughness is what gets him through fights. P4P, weight being equal who would you pick in a fight between Margarito & Toney? Toney would smash Margarito, it would look like Toney v Jirov. Thats all I'm saying. Sugar Ray was so great that they made up pound for pound. Just saying taht even tho he was not expected to, if he was in a different weight class he would still dominate.

                Also, I can name more than 20 boxers that have more skill than Margarito.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by ICANTLIE
                  From watching him what skills does he have really? I dont want to come off as a hater but his toughness is what gets him through fights. P4P, weight being equal who would you pick in a fight between Margarito & Toney? Toney would smash Margarito, it would look like Toney v Jirov. Thats all I'm saying. Sugar Ray was so great that they made up pound for pound. Just saying taht even tho he was not expected to, if he was in a different weight class he would still dominate.

                  Also, I can name more than 20 boxers that have more skill than Margarito.
                  that's why i said if you go strictly by skill regardless of weight margarito probably doesn't make the pound 4 pound list. but then again paquiao is not the most skilled fighter either but at the end of the night he gets it done and i think that's what gets margarito on. Skills alone dont win fights so you have to put that into consideration as well. P4P is an imaginary list anyways it's all opinionated!

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