someone shoot this ref!!!

[Mr. Ryan]

Castillo like Corales chose tough opponets in a new division, thats not what a manager does if he's looking out for his fighter. Example, Mayweather he took baby steps at weltweight.

Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah and Baldomir were all world champions. Sebastian Lujan is not on the championship level.

[ferocity]

Sucks if Gonzalez had a plan to turn it up in the last 2 rounds and go for the ko. But i don't think he'd have gotten the ko, but could have won some rounds but not the fight.

A boxer would beat Cloud. He better start practicing not just lugening in and practice more distance to know when he throws he connects. He's raw but he can be a good champ, but i just think right now a boxer or calm fighter will beat Cloud. I wouldn't put him near Tarver, Dawson even Glenn Johnson.

[Mr. Ryan]

Sucks if Gonzalez had a plan to turn it up in the last 2 rounds and go for the ko. But i don't think he'd have gotten the ko, but could have won some rounds but not the fight.

A boxer would beat Cloud. He better start practicing not just lugening in and practice more distance to know when he throws he connects. He's raw but he can be a good champ, but i just think right now a boxer or calm fighter will beat Cloud. I wouldn't put him near Tarver, Dawson even Glenn Johnson.

The only thing Gonzalez was turning up in the last two rounds was daisies. No way was he making it the distance.

[ferocity]

Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah and Baldomir were all world champions. Sebastian Lujan is not on the championship level.

Out of those maybe only Baldomier would fight Lujan, the other two imho would lose to lujan.

[ferocity]

[QUOTE=Hawk Time;3906178]The only thing Gonzalez was turning up in the last two rounds was daisies. No way was he making it the distance.[/QUOTE]

You must not know Gonzalez or ever seen him fight before. Yes, he would of made it to the end.

[Mr. Ryan]

[QUOTE=ferocity;3906191]

The only thing Gonzalez was turning up in the last two rounds was daisies. No way was he making it the distance.[/QUOTE]

You must not know Gonzalez or ever seen him fight before. Yes, he would of made it to the end.

I've seen him fight before, but thats before and this is now. He was going to get seriously hurt if the fight continued. Judging from him being stopped on the ropes, he was so weakened by the blows received that he couldn't even move out of harm. He was a sitting target.

[5burowz]

you can die taking your doggy for a walk.

[Mr. Ryan]

you can die taking your doggy for a walk.

Yeah but it wouldn't be televised or considered a black eye for pet owners or pedestrians.

[ferocity]

[QUOTE=Hawk Time;3906204]

I've seen him fight before, but thats before and this is now. He was going to get seriously hurt if the fight continued. Judging from him being stopped on the ropes, he was so weakened by the blows received that he couldn't even move out of harm. He was a sitting target.

I do hope he retires or fights one last time to get a win then retire.

I remember when i first seen him fight on tv it was early in his career i was like damn, a Mexican light Heavyweight, but you could see he probably wasn't going to do much as a pro. And i was hell of wrong, he got better, still kind of looked sloppy in there but he had heart, never stopped punch and a will to win that took him far. I hope he retires. He done great in boxing. He fought everybody.

[Jim Jeffries]

This fight should've been stopped at the end of the 5th round. Gonzales showed an extreme amount of heart, but if the ref was going to stop it when he did, he should've stopped it in the 5th when Gonzo was hurt worse.