Judah is a bum and I will tell you why...

[Dynamite Kid]

Lewis in his prime would get smoked by prime Tyson faster stronger and Lewis would not have stopped him more likely Tyson gets through with a right hand and good night Lewis

Tyson was past against Holyfield and a prime Tyson would be Holyfield in a war no question. He was knocked down and hurt bad against Bowe.

Prime Tyson beats all those 90's HW

Lewis would of played him with him just the same and frustrated him and knocked him the fcuk out thats if he did not try to quit first or get the referee to throw him out

Holfield was the one who had more wear and tear not Tyson yet you make excuses for Tyson ,pathetic

prime Tyson is overrated he fought nobodys and got exposed against the top fighters

[Flawless 2]

Lewis would of played him with him just the same and frustrated him and knocked him the fcuk out thats if he did not try to quit first or get the referee to throw him out

Holfield was the one who had more wear and tear not Tyson yet you make excuses for Tyson ,pathetic

prime Tyson is overrated he fought nobodys and got exposed against the top fighters

Lewis was KO twice in his prime, imagine what a prime Tyson would do if he got a shot at Lewis chin

Holyfield went to war against Bowe and lost and you think he would be able to take Prime Tyson best shots which are faster and more powerful than Bowes

[Dynamite Kid]

Lewis was KO twice in his prime, imagine what a prime Tyson would do if he got a shot at Lewis chin

Holyfield went to war against Bowe and lost and you think he would be able to take Prime Tyson best shots which are faster and more powerful than Bowes

McCall was not Lewis in his prime,he took his eye off the ball against Rahman but did you see the rematch when he was focused

Holyfield took Tyson's best shots

the reason Tyson would NEVER beat Lewis and Holy is cause Lewis would ALWAYS tie his man up on the inside and use his height and reach from a distance and Holy could take what you could dish out and keep coming

Tyson's flaws were he would get discouraged and frustrated and that is why Lewis and Holy beat him all day cause Lewis ties him up inside to frustrate him and Holy keeps coming and taking his best shots

Tyson is tailor made for Holyfield and Lewis but Holy more so

[Flawless 2]

McCall was not Lewis in his prime,he took his eye off the ball against Rahman but did you see the rematch when he was focused

Holyfield took Tyson's best shots

the reason Tyson would NEVER beat Lewis and Holy is cause Lewis would ALWAYS tie his man up on the inside and use his height and reach from a distance and Holy could take what you could dish out and keep coming

Tyson's flaws were he would get discouraged and frustrated and that is why Lewis and Holy beat him all day cause Lewis ties him up inside to frustrate him and Holy keeps coming and taking his best shots

Tyson is tailor made for Holyfield and Lewis but Holy more so

Tyson was discouraged and frustrated in fights when he was past his prime and couldn't use his foot work or speed to held him win. In his prime Holyfield would have got stopped against Tyson. No way he takes Tyson best shots for 12 rounds like he did against Bowe who is slow and sluggish compared to prime Tyson

The Lewis part I agree to a extend but Tyson could still win by a KO

[Dynamite Kid]

Tyson was discouraged and frustrated in fights when he was past his prime and couldn't use his foot work or speed to held him win. In his prime Holyfield would have got stopped against Tyson. No way he takes Tyson best shots for 12 rounds like he did against Bowe who is slow and sluggish compared to prime Tyson

The Lewis part I agree to a extend but Tyson could still win by a KO

Tyson did not get discouraged in his early fights cause everything was going his way you find out what kind of a fighter you are when your back is against the wall and when you do it against the best not B class oponents

Holyfield took Tyson's best shots for two fights

you dont no much about Rid**** Bowe if you think he was sluggish he had fairly quick hands for a big guy he was not slow thats for sure

any HW could win by knockout and a prime Tyson has a better chance but still slim and only a punchers chance at that

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Lewis woould beat the crap out of him in his prime anyway so

Tyson was a puncher thats it against good fighters he got dealt with Holy,Lewis,Bowe would of all kicked his ass in his prime aswell

Holyfield was 34 when he whooped Tyson you know and he had been in FAR more tough fights that Tyson

Ok Terrible enough of the Tyson bashing my man. He was not just a puncher he was much more than that sir. With the guidance and proper training methods he became the youngest HW Champ ever and was knocking out everyone in the first round. You don't do that because you are just a puncher or you are fighting cans. He beat whom ever he fought and who ever was around at the time. Due to personal issues and the false **** accusations Robin Givens and her ***** mother adn Don King he was ruined. Fighting is also a mental game and if your head aint screwed on right you aint going to perform no matter who you are. Muhammad Ali knew that better than anybody and that is why he played minds games with all his opponents sir. I posted what I posted to prove a point but not to bash Tyson. Flawless is under the impression Tyson could have continued in the Douglas fight and he was wrong. You are under the impression Tyson was over rated and a bum and sir you are wrong. Tyson is what he was the best HW Champ the youngest HW Champ ever and the baddest man on the panet from 1985-1990

[MikeBrew328]

Anybody that gets to that level, as a professional, is not a bum. You have to respect that. He's fougth at welterweight for 7 years. He's been around for a while....he's got something like 11 belts he said.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Anybody that gets to that level, as a professional, is not a bum. You have to respect that. He's fougth at welterweight for 7 years. He's been around for a while....he's got something like 11 belts he said.

My man I respect his past accomplishments and I don't deny he has skill. I am not calling him a bum stating he has no skill if only he had the will determination and heart to go along with that skill he would be P4P King. The fact is he quits against tough odds, his stamina is questionable, he looks for the easy way out of fights (Clottey fight) and he lacks the ability to adjust games plans or even create one at times.

[Dynamite Kid]

Ok Terrible enough of the Tyson bashing my man. He was not just a puncher he was much more than that sir. With the guidance and proper training methods he became the youngest HW Champ ever and was knocking out everyone in the first round. You don't do that because you are just a puncher or you are fighting cans. He beat whom ever he fought and who ever was around at the time. Due to personal issues and the false **** accusations Robin Givens and her ***** mother adn Don King he was ruined. Fighting is also a mental game and if your head aint screwed on right you aint going to perform no matter who you are. Muhammad Ali knew that better than anybody and that is why he played minds games with all his opponents sir. I posted what I posted to prove a point but not to bash Tyson. Flawless is under the impression Tyson could have continued in the Douglas fight and he was wrong. You are under the impression Tyson was over rated and a bum and sir you are wrong. Tyson is what he was the best HW Champ the youngest HW Champ ever and the baddest man on the panet from 1985-1990

i agree to an extent Tyson had good upperbody movement and he was a good at countering but against the likes of Holy,Lenny he is reduced to just a puncher cause that is his best chance to beat either of them cause imo he aint decisioning either of them

Tyson was good and could of been better but i dont see any Mike Tyson beating a prime Holy or Lewis

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

O word I used to train at gleasons too who was ur trainer? Let's see if you are for real cus I'm pretty sure you're making this up. Because I find it hard to believe how you can tell that Judah is a bum just by training at Gleasons. What did his shadowboxing in the ring not look that good to you or........? How do you figure he's a bum by training in the same gym as him? You're a straight up idiot because I trained side by side to plenty of champions in Gleasons and I don't see how one can say they're a bum, I've seen poeple like Ray Joval in there knock people out and look like super heroes same for Wayne Braithwaite, David Telesco, Agapito Sanchez, Vivian Harris and many others and look what happened, and I've seen other cats in there like joan guzman on the low just doing their thing and they ended up being world champs so how is it you can tell by seeing him once in the gym if he's a bum? Please you probly aint even from new york ****** ass wannabe.

David Lawrenece was my trainer back in 1998-01. I never said he was a bum because he trained in Gleasons or because he ****** I said he was a bum because he quit. Read some of my other posts in this thread my man. Yes I was there when Vivian Harris was there and I saw more then a few spar there in my time at the gym. The smell of the place ahh the aroma of hunger and hard work nothing like it my friend Imiss it and I wish I had the chance to go and work out there but unfortunately i am reduced to just lifting weights and occasionaly hitting the bag. My skills at Fight Night are probably more up to date then those I had in the ring.

Fulcrum where you at buddy still waiting on your reply my man.

David Lawrence you know him ?? He used to share an office on the back wall with the Jamaican guy who was an ex kick boxer. I remember the spanish dude that used to alway be training his little boy at that time he was like 5 or 6. I used to love to hit those rubber dummies bare handed only wraps. That big heavy bag in the middle of the gym. the Italian trainer used to love to yell at me all the time keep your chin tucked in you wanna get knocled out???

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