Prime Tyson vs Prime Lennox ?

[KostyaTszyu44]

yeah i think lennox would have won a wide decision or a TKO

tyson might have had a chance if he stormed lennox and got him out of there early but as the fight would go on lennox's skills, reach, and ring smarts would have been too much for tyson

[Boogie Nights]

Tyson couldn't slip in and get on the inside of James Tillis. He went passive becuase he was getting a boxing lesson and his opponent was not discouraged by him. Tillis was giving him lateral lovement, kept use of the jab and didn't give him his opportunities. Lewis is a harder puncher than Tillis, has a better harder( and more consistant) jab. He would control the fight from the outside and keep Tyson at bay. Just like he did with Tua, Morrison and all of his other opponents that only had a punchers chance. He was just good against those certain type of fighters becuase like Terrible has stated, he kept his composure so Tyson couldn't force him into making any ****** mistakes.

I also don't know where some of you get Lewis having a glass chin and would go down from one hook. He took shots from Tua, huge punches from Klitscho ( who had a knockout percentage of 90%) Bruno( who won all but two fights by knockout) and many other heavy hitters. When motivated and ready, his chin was very good and seriously underrated.

Tyson has never beaten any great fighters that were in their prime. He was a very good fighter and very talented when he was in his peak, but i really can't see him beating Lewis even on his best day. There are cases of Tyson being a bit overrated.

im not gonna get into a long arguement with you again, ill say that i disagree with everything you have said.

but the one thing that i would add, if you're gonna compare mike's fights with performances like James tillis then you should note that tyson was in his learning stages with 19 fights to his credit. Tillis was an experienced veteran of 39 fights, having faced the likes of mike weaver, shavers, thomas, pages, witherspoon, williams, Coetzee, and biggs. that's one heck of a great resume, even for a journeyman. Mike was still a primitive punk and not in his prime.

if you want to sound reasonable then be fair. i wont say that Lennox lost by a one punch to Mccal because was still green holding his hands low, but that was not the best of lewis, and not his top game.

[Zocalo]

Tyson with the KO. He was beastly in his prime.

[Boogie Nights]

also slicksouthpaw i have another question

you say tyson never beat a great fighter in their prime. But you consider guys like jerseywalcott, max baer, and floyd patterson all time greats, can you please tell what great fighters in their prime they have beaten?

[slicksouthpaw16]

im not gonna get into a long arguement with you again, ill say that i disagree with everything you have said.

but the one thing that i would add, if you're gonna compare mike's fights with performances like James tillis then you should note that tyson was in his learning stages with 19 fights to his credit. Tillis was an experienced veteran of 39 fights, having faced the likes of mike weaver, shavers, thomas, pages, witherspoon, williams, Coetzee, and biggs. that's one heck of a great resume, even for a journeyman. Mike was still a primitive punk and not in his prime.

if you want to sound reasonable then be fair. i wont say that Lennox lost by a one punch to Mccal because was still green holding his hands low, but that was not the best of lewis, and not his top game.

Tyson has not shown that he can compete with technical boxers on the elite level, which wasn't the case with Lewis against the big ****ers. That is what seperates them. One is proven against elite and one isn't.

In shape and ready, Lewis could take a good punch and he has beaten fighters that were far better than MCcall and especially Rachman. That should let you know that they were flukes.

I won't say that Tucker had a good shot at beating Tyson if he didn't break his hand early and that Douglas....well we all know what happened there.

[slicksouthpaw16]

also slicksouthpaw i have another question

you say tyson never beat a great fighter in their prime. But you consider guys like jerseywalcott, max baer, and floyd patterson all time greats, can you please tell what great fighters in their prime they have beaten?

I very well could but i will actually pass this time. It will blow up once again and we will get into twisting words and putting things in our signature again.

[Boogie Nights]

Tyson has not shown that he can compete with technical boxers on the elite level, which wasn't the case with Lewis against the big ****ers. That is what seperates them. One is proven against elite and one isn't.

In shape and ready, Lewis could take a good punch and he has beaten fighters that were far better than MCcall and especially Rachman. That should let you know that they were flukes.

I won't say that Tucker had a good shot at beating Tyson if he didn't break his hand early and that Douglas....well we all know what happened there.

if he hadnt shown he could compete with elites he wouldnt clean out the division becoming the youngest champ.

So a guy like tyrell biggs was not a good boxer? he may not have been elite by any means, but he was tall, with a long reach, trained by Duva, and was a skillfull fighter. All the attributes to make a stylistic nightmare for a crude slugger like mike. Gave ZERO trouble to Tyson. Ribalta wasnt good? Pinklon Thomas who trained for 3 month for that fight, with a very good jab, and the kind of fighter who could control the distance.

also you dont know that Tucker broke his hand early. There has never been any evidence to that except for what came out of Tucker's mouth. If you're gonna take that for truth, than maybe we should take Vic Darchiniyan serious when he said he wasnt knocked out by Donaire. Ive seen the Tucker fight, and his hand seemed fine.

[Boogie Nights]

I very well could but i will actually pass this time. It will blow up once again and we will get into twisting words and putting things in our signature again.

i take it that you cant provide solid arguements to back up your statements. i dont need long answers, i dont need a list of good contenders they faced

if you could, make it as easy as posible, just list me great fighters, not contenders, but great fighters that Patterson, Walcott, and Baer beat?

no long paragraphs, just a list of great fighter they beat. SIMPLE

[slicksouthpaw16]

if he hadnt shown he could compete with elites he wouldnt clean out the division becoming the youngest champ.

So a guy like tyrell biggs was not a good boxer? he may not have been elite by any means, but he was tall, with a long reach, trained by Duva, and was a skillfull fighter. All the attributes to make a stylistic nightmare for a crude slugger like mike. Gave ZERO trouble to Tyson. Ribalta wasnt good? Pinklon Thomas who trained for 3 month for that fight, with a very good jab, and the kind of fighter who could control the distance.

also you dont know that Tucker broke his hand early. There has never been any evidence to that except for what came out of Tucker's mouth. If you're gonna take that for truth, than maybe we should take Vic Darchiniyan serious when he said he wasnt knocked out by Donaire. Ive seen the Tucker fight, and his hand seemed fine.

Biggs was a very good fighter and an Olympic gold medalist if i am remembering correctly. He went wrong with trading with Tyson and that gave him his opportunities. When he was actually boxing in the first 2 or 3 rounds, then he would be winning easily. He was just not a big heavyweight and didn't have that experienced to keep to his game and not be taken out of it. Lewis had both experience and was a big heavyweight and he was also mentally tough as you can get.

[slicksouthpaw16]

i take it that you cant provide solid arguements to back up your statements. i dont need long answers, i dont need a list of good contenders they faced

if you could, make it as easy as posible, just list me great fighters, not contenders, but great fighters that Patterson, Walcott, and Baer beat?

no long paragraphs, just a list of great fighter they beat. SIMPLE

I just don't want to go through the same things again. You will most likely twist what ever i say, call Tyson's opponents better and start putting things in your signatures. Its just best to leave certain things alone.