A Weekend Mix of Consciousness Observations

[slick23]

Facts?

Although I think everybody is definitely a bit over enthusiatic about pointing to what Mayweather lacks in terms of his "legacy,and Kellerman seemed more than happy to throw out his long winded rant on the subject, was he that far off base. In terms of factual info in regards to Floyd's career, you are spot on. He dominated at the lower divisions, and is one of the best ever as a lightweight. As a welter not so sure. Baldomir, Hatton, Dela Hoya, Judah? A descent list of names, except that none of them are really relevant at 147. Atleast not if your claiming to be the best welterweight in the world. Margarito, Williams, Cotto, Clottey, Mosely, these are the fighters people wanted Floyd to fight. I understand the "if it doesn't make money it doesn't make sense" diatribe that Floyd and his backers have always thrown out there, but you can't have it both ways. Either your the best welter and pound for pound fighter who gets paid handsomely to fight the best challengers in your division or your someone who although has an extreme amount of talent is a glorified lightweight picking and chosing his paydays at a higher weight. Although his comments might have been a little to strong for some, Max pretty much summed up what everyone is thinking.

[jk4real]

Although I think everybody is definitely a bit over enthusiatic about pointing to what Mayweather lacks in terms of his "legacy,and Kellerman seemed more than happy to throw out his long winded rant on the subject, was he that far off base. In terms of factual info in regards to Floyd's career, you are spot on. He dominated at the lower divisions, and is one of the best ever as a lightweight. As a welter not so sure. Baldomir, Hatton, Dela Hoya, Judah? A descent list of names, except that none of them are really relevant at 147. Atleast not if your claiming to be the best welterweight in the world. Margarito, Williams, Cotto, Clottey, Mosely, these are the fighters people wanted Floyd to fight. I understand the "if it doesn't make money it doesn't make sense" diatribe that Floyd and his backers have always thrown out there, but you can't have it both ways. Either your the best welter and pound for pound fighter who gets paid handsomely to fight the best challengers in your division or your someone who although has an extreme amount of talent is a glorified lightweight picking and chosing his paydays at a higher weight. Although his comments might have been a little to strong for some, Max pretty much summed up what everyone is thinking.

Parts of it I agree... but I disagree big time with the picking smaller opponents at higher weight classes... he picked his opponents but they were not smaller... the fighters you have listed should show it to you... Judah has nothing to do at WW but has as much to do there as Floyd (Judah is a small WW as Floyd)... Baldomir is 147 pounder... DLH ( I guess we ain't got to talk about that)... and Hatton was one weight class under him... alright that's smaller but it's one weight class (It's not like a Pacquiao-DLH Match)... he picked his opponents but they were not necessarily smaller

[slick23]

Parts of it I agree... but I disagree big time with the picking smaller opponents at higher weight classes... he picked his opponents but they were not smaller... the fighters you have listed should show it to you... Judah has nothing to do at WW but has as much to do there as Floyd (Judah is a small WW as Floyd)... Baldomir is 147 pounder... DLH ( I guess we ain't got to talk about that)... and Hatton was one weight class under him... alright that's smaller but it's one weight class (It's not like a Pacquiao-DLH Match)... he picked his opponents but they were not necessarily smaller

Never did I mention that they were handpicked because they were small, but that they were not very relevant in his current division. You can argue that the Margarito's, Cotto's and Mosely's of the world did not bring the kind of jack to the table that Floyd was apparently looking for. For Floyd it's a money game period, and that's what turns off most of his detractors. Although I have respect for all of the fighters i previously mentioned you can make the argument that none of them presented Floyd with as strong of a challenge as anyone in the top half of the the welterweight division. Dela Hoya maybe the exception, but hey if your going to say your the best welterweight in the world how about beating a good welterweight. I watched all of his fights and I personally think he's the best in the world, but I have to acknowledge the truth. If he fights anyone of those guys I'm sure that would quiet all of the haters.

[jk4real]

Never did I mention that they were handpicked because they were small, but that they were not very relevant in his current division. You can argue that the Margarito's, Cotto's and Mosely's of the world did not bring the kind of jack to the table that Floyd was apparently looking for. For Floyd it's a money game period, and that's what turns off most of his detractors. Although I have respect for all of the fighters i previously mentioned you can make the argument that none of them presented Floyd with as strong of a challenge as anyone in the top half of the the welterweight division. Dela Hoya maybe the exception, but hey if your going to say your the best welterweight in the world how about beating a good welterweight. I watched all of his fights and I personally think he's the best in the world, but I have to acknowledge the truth. If he fights anyone of those guys I'm sure that would quiet all of the haters.

Again, I agree... don't get me wrong. I'm not the biggest Floyd fan in the world I just appreciate his craft and skill... but I also would have loved to see him fight other fighters. The same goes out to the money thing. It's not that I have the same ideal as he has but in this world I can understand. Because everybody is like that... like I stated before why is Margarito now crying like a child for DLH. I mean DLH is not the biggest challenge out there for him. It's sad that he ain't fought Cotto. On the other hand he wanted to fight him 2005 or 2006. But it was declined. Same with Mosley. As he was on his way to the top Mosley ain't wanted that risk... now he wants it but May said No... this is not about excuses... he ain't fought them... I think that a lot of it has to do with politics. You **** me up on my way to the top so when I'm on top go and **** yourself. His legacy is intact and it is a great legacy... but the WW competition was missing. I agree that Baldomir and Judah alone wouldn't qualify you to be a Hall of Famer. But like said... he did some other work before.

[j.razor]

I was wondering how much of a Bonus did HBO award Kellerman for his little rant against PBF.

LOL...u saw his mic shaking, like he didnt want 2 say that but hbo put sum cash in his mouth...lol

[slick23]

Again, I agree... don't get me wrong. I'm not the biggest Floyd fan in the world I just appreciate his craft and skill... but I also would have loved to see him fight other fighters. The same goes out to the money thing. It's not that I have the same ideal as he has but in this world I can understand. Because everybody is like that... like I stated before why is Margarito now crying like a child for DLH. I mean DLH is not the biggest challenge out there for him. It's sad that he ain't fought Cotto. On the other hand he wanted to fight him 2005 or 2006. But it was declined. Same with Mosley. As he was on his way to the top Mosley ain't wanted that risk... now he wants it but May said No... this is not about excuses... he ain't fought them... I think that a lot of it has to do with politics. You **** me up on my way to the top so when I'm on top go and **** yourself. His legacy is intact and it is a great legacy... but the WW competition was missing. I agree that Baldomir and Judah alone wouldn't qualify you to be a Hall of Famer. But like said... he did some other work before.

I'm with you on the money thing, it's just the nature of the sport, and I do find it hilarious that now margarito wants to fight Oscar now. Floyd's past two paydays were just ridiculous, I can't blame them because its a tough sport and an extremely dirty buisness, but damn would I love to see the best fight the best.

[optkliluzn]

I disagree completely! I wont put Mayweather in the mud and say he's not great because he is BUT he is NOT what he makes himself out to be and the rest of the public either!

ALL of the people you mentioned were HORRIBLE examples, I mean lets take Hernandez who only had 2 loses to his record AND ONLY 2 valued fighters he faced ( Mayweather, De La hoya )

Diego Corales, who lost to every valued fighter he faced, he just happened to face Mayweather first! BUT he did beat Castillo once....woopdy doo! which brings me to this gem.

Jose luis Castillo- WHO hasn't beat him?!! the ONLY decent fighter he truely ever faced was Casamayor! and not to mention who you say Corales! WOW

De La Hoya- This one makes some sense if he wasn't 34 when he faced him, but hey thats the way it is! I give him that he did beat De La Hoya

Floyd just went up and down in weight when it best suited him NOT a real true challenge like De La Hoya who lost to some good fighters but atleast stepped up anyways!

BUT Floyd beat Hatton right?!!!!

By Lyle Fitzsimmons - Some stream-of-consciousness observations from last Saturday night.

1. Perspective was reality… even a week later.

Following the live PPV broadcast of Margarito-Cotto on July 26, indictments of the network’s Lampley-Kellerman announce team were plentiful from both sides of the consensus courtroom.

Many who’d picked Margarito blasted the duo for its seemingly blatant homer treatment of house fighter Cotto. Meanwhile, to those who’d leaned toward the Puerto Rican welterweight coming in, it seemed the pair’s comments lauding the Mexican’s constant pressure ignored the consistently one-sided nature of exchanges - usually won by Cotto - on between-rounds highlight packages.

Only one thing changed the second time around.

Somehow, Emanuel Steward sounded even better in August.

While the “Boxing After Dark” rebroadcast was again replete with Lampley and Kellerman’s breathless superlatives, it was economical third man Steward who alone seemed to sense what would happen from the minute the fighters engaged in round one.

The Kronk guru was prescient and precise in fleeting opportunities to speak amid the blather, correctly forecasting as early as round three - even as Cotto was putting rounds in the bank - that the stretch run would ultimately provide a devastating and withering challenge. [details]

[Senor Boxeo]

Ponder this thought!

If Roy beats Calzaghe as should be based on styles. Where does his P4P status rank go especially if u beat the so called best!

[dr. evil]

Floyd no longer has the bargaining straps to get the lion share of the purse should he decide to finally fight Margarito. Margarito blasted Floyd worse than little Hatton did this past Saturday in an interview on HBO. Fraud won't be so quick this time, I bet, to come out of retirement to deal with such a man as Tony Margarito.

[dr. evil]

Born To Raise Hell

I'd love to see how Floyd and/or DLH would do against Margarito. I forgot what the"%"is when a fighter becomes champion, but if that holds true for Tony, look out whomever he fights. I have all the respect for Floyd's skills but I don't think he is big enough for Margarito who is on a roll. With Oscar, I'd wonder could Margarito take him out...