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[TCNŽ SOULJAH]

Hahahaha he claimed Clottey is more proven then Williams??? ****in unbelievable the **** that comes out of this goofs mouth.

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http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3818464&postcount=23

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[2501 v2.0]

ooooooooh haha so NOW Quintana is good win? right, but for Cotto, its not even worth mentioning. just another "green" fighter for Cotto to pad his record. I see. hahaha wow.

[TCNŽ SOULJAH]

ooooooooh haha so NOW Quintana is good win? right, but for Cotto, its not even worth mentioning. just another "green" fighter for Cotto to pad his record. I see. hahaha wow.

Who have said anything about Carlos Quintana?


**** is just getting ******.

[Luciano]

I want Judah to win. But as we've seen in Judah's previous fights, when faced with a major challenge, his self confidence is dramatically affected. I think Judah understands that Clottey has pretty good hand speed so he may try to rely on his counter punching skills. Clottey actually has very good defense as he showed against Margarito, but does he have this defense when he's being the aggressor? Or will he want to test Zab's power and let his gaurd down while walking forward?

I think Clottey is going to wait to see what Zab is going to do in the first couple of rounds and Zab is going to wait for Clottey to make a move so there may not be too much action. If Zab realizes that his speed is an advantage over Clottey, we're going to be seeing a much slicker Zab than against Cotto. The problem is, if he doesnt hurt Clottey, Clottey will get more agressive and put Zab on a full on counter punching game plan. The more successful pressure Clottey applies to Zab, the more Zab will get fustrated and his punch count will decrease. Thats why I think Clottey is going to get the decision over Zab. Clottey will be more active, more aggressive and accurate.

Clottey UD

what about you

I wrote a huge analysis already, but firefox keeps ****ing up with this forum and saying the address cannot be found.

Anyways, I think that's a decent breakdown. Not bad for a cut and paste job, maybe if you weren't spewing your bull**** about Williams and Mayweather and piggybacking Cotto and Margarito just because they are opponents in the same weight class, I wouldn't of had to son you in the first place. I already had 3 ****in paragraphs on this fight, but I'll do this again.

Judah is the enigma. When he's on, he's on. He destroyed Spinks in the 2nd fight, outboxed Mayweather for 5 rounds or whatever, and his speed, power and talent are almost unmatched. The problem is his mental game. If he had the mental strength of Floyd, he might be the pound for pound king. But he doesn't. When he gets frustrated or bored, he gets sloppy, sometimes it seems like he doesn't even want to be in the ring.

I really like Clottey, he's tough, durable, relentless, and a bully. He doesn't take **** in the ring and has the heart of a warrior.

Judah has the speed and power advantage. His lateral movement and boxing ability is really good, the problem is his hand defense. He models his style after Pernell Whitaker when it comes to that, he doesn't do a good job catching punches, and when he slips punches he keeps his right hand too low and doesn't move far back enough, he keeps himself in the reach of his adversary. But he does have excellent torso control and can go from slipping a punch to a devastating uppercut in literally a second. His God given talent is undeniable, the problem is where his head is at during the fight.

In contrast, Clottey has excellent hand defense. He's very hard to hit while guarded up, he even does a good job blocking to the body while stationary, and he catches a lot of punches. He doesn't have as good movement as Judah, or foot and hand speed, but he's relentless and tough, and does a good job of never getting discouraged in a fight.

To me this comes down to Clottey's jab and right hand. Cotto showed that if you land the jab clean on Judah it offsets his rhythm and causes him to get frustrated, which takes him out of his element, and he basically forgets why he's there and just goes through the motion and tries to survive for the fight. He forgets about his offense, and just circles the ring waiting for the bell to end. If he's on mentally, he's ferocious, his speed and power almost impossible to overcome, and he'll easily outbox Clottey and win a UD or even shock people and get a late round TKO.

Clottey has to not get bothered by the offense Judah comes out with in the first 4 rounds, and he has to get Judah's timing down and keep the jab in his face. If he can continue to do that, and bully Judah, with his lowblows and holding, he'll wear him down and stop him late or win a comfortable decision.

The word is Judah has been a menace in camp, running through sparring partners like you run through hooked on phonics books. So I think he realizes this is his last chance at establishing himself as a great in this sport, instead of the journeyman status he currently holds. This fight could go either way, and Judah has let me down many times. But I think he'll come out for this fight ready, I think he would've beat Mosley and was ready for that, and I see him winning by late round TKO or UD because he'll use his speed and movement to keep Clottey guessing all night and frustrate his offense.

[Luciano]

ooooooooh haha so NOW Quintana is good win? right, but for Cotto, its not even worth mentioning. just another "green" fighter for Cotto to pad his record. I see. hahaha wow.

Williams BEAT Margarito. Who the **** has Clottey beat?? Quintana is a solid name only having lost to Cotto and Williams. I really like Clottey, but you're ****in delusional. Williams is a TWO TIME WW CHAMP.

[Luciano]

Who have said anything about Carlos Quintana?


**** is just getting ******.

He actually did an average break down of Judah vs Clottey, expect nothing but ******ity to flow from him for his next 100 posts.

[2501 v2.0]

I wrote a huge analysis already, but firefox keeps ****ing up with this forum and saying the address cannot be found.

Anyways, I think that's a decent breakdown. Not bad for a cute and paste job, maybe if you weren't spewing your bull**** about Williams and Mayweather and piggybacking Cotto and Margarito just because they are opponents in the same weight class, I wouldn't of had to son you in the first place. I already had 3 ****in paragraphs on this fight, but I'll do this again.

Judah is the enigma. When he's on, he's on. He destroyed Spinks in the 2nd fight, outboxed Mayweather for 5 rounds or whatever, and his speed, power and talent are almost unmatched. The problem is his mental game. If he had the mental strength of Floyd, he might be the pound for pound king. But he doesn't. When he gets frustrated or bored, he gets sloppy, sometimes it seems like he doesn't even want to be in the ring.

I really like Clottey, he's tough, durable, relentless, and a bully. He doesn't take **** in the ring and has the heart of a warrior.

Judah has the speed and power advantage. His lateral movement and boxing ability is really good, the problem is his hand defense. He models his style after Pernell Whitaker when it comes to that, he doesn't do a good job catching punches, and when he slips punches he keeps his right hand too low and doesn't move far back enough, he keeps himself in the reach of his adversary. But he does have excellent torso control and can go from slipping a punch to a devastating uppercut in literally a second. His God given talent is undeniable, the problem is where his head is at during the fight.

In contrast, Clottey has excellent hand defense. He's very hard to hit while guarded up, he even does a good job blocking to the body while stationary, and he catches a lot of punches. He doesn't have as good movement as Judah, or foot and hand speed, but he's relentless and tough, and does a good job of never getting discouraged in a fight.

To me this comes down to Clottey's jab and right hand. Cotto showed that if you land the jab clean on Judah it offsets his rhythm and causes him to get frustrated, which takes him out of his element, and he basically forgets why he's there and just goes through the motion and tries to survive for the fight. He forgets about his offense, and just circles the ring waiting for the bell to end. If he's on mentally, he's ferocious, his speed and power almost impossible to overcome, and he'll easily outbox Clottey and win a UD or even shock people and get a late round TKO.

Clottey has to not get bothered by the offense Judah comes out with in the first 4 rounds, and he has to get Judah's timing down and keep the jab in his face. If he can continue to do that, and bully Judah, with his lowblows and holding, he'll wear him down and stop him late or win a comfortable decision.

The word is Judah has been a menace in camp, running through sparring partners like you run through hooked on phonics books. So I think he realizes this is his last chance at establishing himself as a great in this sport, instead of the journeyman status he currently holds. This fight could go either way, and Judah has let me down many times. But I think he'll come out for this fight ready, I think he would've beat Mosley and was ready for that, and I see him winning by late round TKO or UD because he'll use his speed and movement to keep Clottey guessing all night and frustrate his offense.

well you have to excuse me for being at work while i typed that out but i currently dont have the luxury to be as specific as you were. As far as my other breakdowns, just search my threads. I called Calzaghe/Hopkins to a tee except for the knockdown. Cotto/Margarito well, here it is.......

Now, I'm not saying it will be a dull fight, but it is my personal opinion that it wont surpass any of the Vazquez/Marquez fights, the Pac/Marquez or even Casa/Katsidis fight. But it WILL be a damn good fight.

The more I think about what is at stake here for Cotto, the more I realize that he will be coming into this fight the most cautious he has ever been. He has the most to lose of the two and is on the verge of reaching super stardom (or the highest any boxer can reach not named Floyd or Oscar). He recently inked a deal with Ecko clothing, his popularity is rising in the Hispanic community, anytime Floyd is mention, Cotto is usually in the same sentence. Obviously, Cotto is concious of what he could lose if he loses to Margarito.

So, is Cotto REALLY going into this fight like he did against his previous victims? Is he REALLY going to trade sledge hammer shots with one of the grimiest construction workers in the game? I dont think so.

The Cotto camp understands that Margo has the ability to hurt Cotto. The Cotto camp understands that Cotto may not have the ability to hurt Margarito. As a trainer, you wouldn't tell your fighter to go in the ring and attempt to establish your position by trying to beat a power puncher with the work ethic of Paraponera ant at his own game right? We all saw how Cotto fought the second half of the Mosley fight. I think he realized he wasn't going to be able to hurt Mosley with the body work he was doing so he started to Box Mosley more. Dippin and dodging, stickin and moving.

I feel that we will see a Mayweather-esque performance by Cotto on this night. Pero antes que me tiren al leon, I also think that Cotto understands the magnitude and benefits of making a statement against Tony. I see Cotto making his presence known by systematically landing some hard, hard punches on Tony with murderous intent. His game plan will be not to fall into a brawl with Tony, but to epitomize the meaning of Boxer/Puncher. He's going to be moving, using the ring to keep Tony off balance making sure Tony doesnt set and begin doing his work. Cotto will land some combinations from time to time, but he will seldom stay within the vicinity Tony feels comfortable to work in. This doesn't mean Cotto will avoid the temptation, the urge to break what is considered unbreakable. He WILL try to check Tony's chin and if he sees a crack in that diamond, he will go in for the kill. If he finds that Margo's rib cage and liver are vulnerable, we will see a Cotto who is willing to take the risks because taking down the man who was once considered "the most feared man in boxing" would elevate his status to mythic proportions.

Basically, Cotto will want to show that he is classes above Margarito and the majority of the Welter Weight Division. His goal will be to show versatility, but in an exciting fashion. Unfortunately though, it wouldn't be as exciting as Cotto standing toe to toe with Margarito, but I think it will be more than worth the $50 or so bucks PPV fans will be shelling out. I've lost my train of thought for now so I am not gonna finish the post.

see, you're problem is that if anyone criticizes Williams, you lose it. you go crazy. thats why you were even asked why you were so mad in that other thread.

I LIKE Williams. I was going for him against Quintana in both fights. But the problem is that Williams didnt show how he improved skill wise in the rematch with Quintana because he blew him out of the water (which obviously is always the best way to go) but how much has he really learned from the Quintana loss? What adjustments has he made?

I actually made a thread stating that Williams/Clottey would be a great fight where Williams would be able to display his newly founded skills and adjustments because Clottey is a hard test for anyone.

And this thread has nothing to do with popularity. Im not even a funny poster. But I do talk boxing, I do talk about other fighters and if you want to be taken seriously, do the same. Dont be like the rest of your team members.

look at this ****. nothing but Williams/Hopkins.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1481221

[Luciano]

well you have to excuse me for being at work while i typed that out but i currently dont have the luxury to be as specific as you were. As far as my other breakdowns, just search my threads. I called Calzaghe/Hopkins to a tee except for the knockdown. Cotto/Margarito well, here it is.......



see, you're problem is that if anyone criticizes Williams, you lose it. you go crazy. thats why you were even asked why you were so mad in that other thread.

I LIKE Williams. I was going for him against Quintana in both fights. But the problem is that Williams didnt show how he improved skill wise in the rematch with Quintana because he blew him out of the water (which obviously is always the best way to go) but how much has he really learned from the Quintana loss? What adjustments has he made?

I actually made a thread stating that Williams/Clottey would be a great fight where Williams would be able to display his newly founded skills and adjustments because Clottey is a hard test for anyone.

And this thread has nothing to do with popularity. Im not even a funny poster. But I do talk boxing, I do talk about other fighters and if you want to be taken seriously, do the same. Dont be like the rest of your team members.

look at this ****. nothing but Williams/Hopkins.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/se...archid=1481221

Look at your Cotto vs Margarito break down. A Mayweather-esque performance?? Do you understand the difference between boxers like Cotto and Mayweather?? The difference in skill, talent, their pedigrees?? Cotto is an average boxer. Anybody who has boxed before knows that. He only circles one way, does it slowly, not leaving his opponents reach, and he keeps his hands down. He's big time overrated. Williams would massacre him.

When you say stuff like "it's hard to see how Williams improved and made adjustments in the 2nd Quintana fight" how the **** can I take you serious?? Blowing through a guy in 2 minutes isn't luck. It showed his improvement. He came out and ran right through him, something he's capable of doing to ANYBODY when he sits on his punches. He's only going to get better and better. And you actually think Margarito will beat him, or that Mayweather is overrated and not the best of our time??

As far as this thread, none of the birds who voted against me know anything about me. I probably know more about boxing then every single one of them, they are just internet guys, they have no meaning to me what so ever. And I love haters, they keep me in my lane. Maybe if you back off your bull**** about the coalition, Mayweather and Williams, and you show guys like Souljah their proper respect, you and I can reach an agreement...if not, then go **** yourself.

[Luciano]

Look at your Cotto vs Margarito break down. A Mayweather-esque performance?? Do you understand the difference between boxers like Cotto and Mayweather?? The difference in skill, talent, their pedigrees?? Cotto is an average boxer. Anybody who has boxed before knows that. He only circles one way, does it slowly, not leaving his opponents reach, and he keeps his hands down. He's big time overrated. Williams would massacre him.

When you say stuff like "it's hard to see how Williams improved and made adjustments in the 2nd Quintana fight" how the **** can I take you serious?? Blowing through a guy in 2 minutes isn't luck. It showed his improvement. He came out and ran right through him, something he's capable of doing to ANYBODY when he sits on his punches. He's only going to get better and better. And you actually think Margarito will beat him, or that Mayweather is overrated and not the best of our time??

As far as this thread, none of the birds who voted against me know anything about me. I probably know more about boxing then every single one of them, they are just internet guys, they have no meaning to me what so ever. And I love haters, they keep me in my lane. Maybe if you back off your bull**** about the coalition, Mayweather and Williams, and you show guys like Souljah their proper respect, you and I can reach an agreement...if not, then go **** yourself.

And by the way, clothing deals, popularity, and stature should never enter the equation when breaking down a fight...no wonder you were misguided.

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And by the way, clothing deals, popularity, and stature should never enter the equation when breaking down a fight...no wonder you were misguided.

you are completely wrong. all are those are things that can be gone with one single loss. you as a "expert" would know that.

and you should do a little research as to why The Coalition and your sister Soulja dont get respected. I mean, if you are down with racism and propoganda, then thats your thing and you fit right in. but if you seriously think that The Coalition is some premier objective society, i feel really sorry for you.