How would Cotto win a rematch?

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  • El Chicano
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    #21
    Originally posted by jaguarjames
    he'd Have To Enter The Ring Like This:
    Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

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    • poeticlsykuac
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      #22
      Originally posted by Silencers
      I didn't see Cotto even attempt to clinch that much, the first time he clinched was probably the 7th round when he was hurt, he should have started clinching much earlier to conserve energy and I didn't hear Bayless jump on him too early for clinches.

      The punches he chose were to the head, he didn't pick his spots to the body which was a huge mistake and a waste of energy because he should have known he wouldn't have been able to knock out Margarito like that, he landed very few meaningful body punches on Margarito.

      Some of the movement was wasted because he could have clinched instead of moving away and sometimes moving away caused him to get hit but yes, his gameplan was to move and not let Margarito get set, he just needs to learn how to clinch when he needs to save some energy.

      He put in a very good performance, a performance that probably would have beaten anyone else in the division but he neglected Margarito's body, which was a terrible mistake, the way to slow down a guy with a high punch to move and not let his feet get set and work his body so that he can't throw so many punches, Cotto managed to do the first part well but the second part, he totally forgot about.

      Cotto's bread and butter had been his body work up until this point (apart from the Mosley fight, where he body work was neutralized), Margarito was open to body shots but Cotto didn't take advantage of that.

      Margarito on the other hand, invested in the body early, he landed some big shots to the body as early as the second round, which paid off for him as the fight went on.

      And also, I think Cotto should try from time to time to stay inside Margarito's punches, I know it puts him in danger of the uppercut but it nullifies a lot of Margarito's arsenal.

      One other thing, he can't let his back touch the ropes and if he does get trapped on the ropes, clinch his way out, don't try to punch his way out.
      Great post, that is the first good answer I have heard.

      I think that early events in the fight like Margarito's body shots in the first round deterred Cotto from wanting to stay within the grasp of Margarito's left hook to the body. If you watch he moves away towards Margarito's right(I'd say that is his stronger punch). This nullifies some of the power from Cotto's hook. Cotto tried to hold in the second and third round when he got dinged but Bayless was quick to say punch out. Bayless didn't seem to want to allow anything but a fight.

      I also think that if he clinched Margarito that could be tiresome as Margarito could rest on Cotto, he is the bigger man. A tactic a lot of bigger fighters do to smaller quicker fighters, lean on them, make them hold them up. I am not saying Margarito would but that would nullify a lot of holding, resting on the other fighter.

      Margarito also wings punches from weird angles he landed a lot of right hooks to the body as well as left hooks. Add some upper cuts. I think Margarito's power just was to much for Cotto, upper cuts and hooks were just getting him enough early to change what he wanted to do.

      Clinching would be the main feature needed I'd say.

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      • BRAVE-HEART
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        #23
        Originally posted by Ivan Mayweather
        Silly Man.

        You Can Not Bring Firearm In Boxing Ring.
        your not aloud low blows and headbutts in the boxing ring but gayweather still enjoys dishing them out ...

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        • Pico Hollywood
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          #24
          Originally posted by BRAVE-HEART
          your not aloud low blows and headbutts in the boxing ring but gayweather still enjoys dishing them out ...
          Give two examples of mayweather Low Blowing and Head butting his opponents,,, Otherwise your just talking out of your ass

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          • Hagler★
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            #25
            Originally posted by Silencers
            He would need to fight a perfect fight for 12 rounds.

            More body shots, less wasted movement, more clinching whenever he feels uncomfrotable along the ropes or in close, less wasted punches and again more body shots.
            try not to get caught up in a fight instead out box him when ever he tried to stop and fight marg caught him and tagged him

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            • Silencers
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              #26
              Originally posted by poeticlsykuac
              Great post, that is the first good answer I have heard.

              I think that early events in the fight like Margarito's body shots in the first round deterred Cotto from wanting to stay within the grasp of Margarito's left hook to the body. If you watch he moves away towards Margarito's right(I'd say that is his stronger punch). This nullifies some of the power from Cotto's hook. Cotto tried to hold in the second and third round when he got dinged but Bayless was quick to say punch out. Bayless didn't seem to want to allow anything but a fight.

              I also think that if he clinched Margarito that could be tiresome as Margarito could rest on Cotto, he is the bigger man. A tactic a lot of bigger fighters do to smaller quicker fighters, lean on them, make them hold them up. I am not saying Margarito would but that would nullify a lot of holding, resting on the other fighter.

              Margarito also wings punches from weird angles he landed a lot of right hooks to the body as well as left hooks. Add some upper cuts. I think Margarito's power just was to much for Cotto, upper cuts and hooks were just getting him enough early to change what he wanted to do.

              Clinching would be the main feature needed I'd say.
              He did move to his left a lot, which is Margarito's right, I thought he did this primarily because he didn't want to get hit by Margarito's left uppercut, it nullified his hook a little but I think he was willing to nullify his hook to get away from the left uppercut and moving to his left does also help his jab so that could have been a factor as well.

              It's true that Margarito could try and lean on Cotto when they are in a clinch but if Cotto is on the ropes and clinches Margarito, he could always use the ropes to lean on and then get out of there when the referee breaks them, I don't think he should clinch too much at the center of the ring because center ring should be where he can do his best work, although if he feels himself getting a bit uncomfortable with the situation, he should buy some time by clinching.

              Margarito punching at all angles is very true, it's part of what makes him so dangerous.
              Last edited by Silencers; 07-28-2008, 04:34 AM.

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              • Silencers
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                #27
                Originally posted by £for£ Champ
                try not to get caught up in a fight instead out box him when ever he tried to stop and fight marg caught him and tagged him
                Definitely, once he slowed down, he tried to fight himself out of a few times which worked against him.

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                • poeticlsykuac
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Silencers
                  He did move to his left a lot, which is Margarito's right, I thought he did this primarily because he didn't want to get hit by Margarito's left uppercut, it nullified his hook a little but I think he was willing to nullify his hook to get away from the left uppercut and moving to his left does also help his jab so that could have been a factor as well.

                  It's true that Margarito could try and lean on Cotto when they are in a clinch but if Cotto is on the ropes and clinches Margarito, he could always use the ropes to lean on and then get out of there when the referee breaks them, I don't think he should clinch too much at the center of the ring because center ring should be where he can do his best work, although if he feels himself getting a bit uncomfortable with the situation, he should buy some times by clinching.

                  Margarito punching at all angles is very true, it's part of what makes him so dangerous.
                  Well said, I am all for a rematch, I just don't know how Cotto will keep that animal off of him. It was a great fight, and nice talking to someone that actually analyzed the fight well vs. the "he hit his head hard" arguments I seem to end up in. Cotto is a very skilled fighter and would probably win any other fighter in the division including Williams. I think Margarito just has the style to beat him repeatedly by the end of 12, Cotto could win a 10 rounder though. Just like Williams has the attributes to beat Margarito once again.

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                  • Silencers
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by poeticlsykuac
                    Well said, I am all for a rematch, I just don't know how Cotto will keep that animal off of him. It was a great fight, and nice talking to someone that actually analyzed the fight well vs. the "he hit his head hard" arguments I seem to end up in. Cotto is a very skilled fighter and would probably win any other fighter in the division including Williams. I think Margarito just has the style to beat him repeatedly by the end of 12, Cotto could win a 10 rounder though. Just like Williams has the attributes to beat Margarito once again.
                    I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch either but I'm not sure if Cotto should take one right away, sometime next year would probably be better him.

                    I agree, styles make fights.

                    Nice talking to you as well.

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