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The 1st thread is called "One Thing People Are Forgetting About Cotto'. I made this thread in June of 07. I think it was almost a 100% accurate except for everything I said about Mosley. Thats not all the way my fought though because I had no ideal that Cotto would even be so huge compared to Mosley. Still Mosley gave him hell though.
The 2nd thread is a link to my prediction before the fight but no one read it. I think I was pretty close on what could happened. You can also just go straight to the bottom of the page and just read the 2nd thread if you want. There not as long as the look so check them out:
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#1 06-17-2007, 01:10 PM
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The people who criticized him at 140 would all say mostly the same thing. He's winning because he's flat out too big for these guys and he would have trouble at 147. He's already shown a suspect chin at 140 and it will be worst at 147.
Now he's at 147 and guys are sweating him but its still the same exact thing. So far he has only beaten Zab, Quintana, & Urkal. Those guys are all basically 3 140 pounders. Quintana is the only one who has been at 147 but he's not a big guy. Cotto still is just physically beating up on smaller guys.
Im telling you that if he gets into the ring with Margarito, Clottey, Baldy, Cintron, or Mosley then he's going to be in for a shock. He will not just physically overpwer those guys and you could argure that there all stronger then him. All those guys are huge & tough. I really think people should still wait to jump on that Cotto bandwagon. People also said Floyd hasnt faced a real WW but he changed all that by beating Oscar at 154. In his next fight Cotto will finally face a guy who he isnt flat out much bigger or stronger then. It will be a shock to his system.
I cant believe everyone thinks he will beat Margarito now. Imagine going from guys like Zab & Urkal right to Margarito. Now your in with a nearly 6ft monster who also weighs like a Middleweight and hits like a truck. That is not going to be easy like people think. Cotto's **** wont hurt him at all and Margarito's shots should punish Cotto if youve followed his career. Cotto cant hurt these big guys like Clottey or these straight physical guys like Mosley who have crazy strength & power. Its a huge difference. Cotto is use to guys running from him but these guys will be coming right at him and even pushing him back alot of times. Its like Tito at 160. He looks impressive beating those guys who werent real Middleweights but then he ran up on Hopkins and looked like a boy against a man. Its just a totally different fight when you go up against someone like that. Thats what people have to understand.
Tyson physically whooped everyone but when he met his match physically, he couldnt win. He's use to hitting guys who run from him and he's use to hearing guys scream and cover up when he hits them. What happeneds when he hits those big guys and it doesnt effect them at all? What is he going to do when he hits them and they wont stop in there tracks? What will he do when he hits them and they walk right through his shots and come back with bombs and fast combos? Physically Cotto will be in for a shock and I wouldnt be surprised to see Margarito pull a Cintron on Cotto. Dont get me wrong, Williams may beat Margarito. I love Williams and I kind of want him to beat a ton of people but a Margarito-Cotto fight would be excellent. Cotto could stilll win but he will have to go through hell to do it and he may never be the same after it. I also think think Clottey woulld killl him.
The bottom line is that Cotto still hasnt faced a real WW and still hasnt faced a fighter who is his equal or even greater in terms of physicality and I want to see how he deals with that part. The difference between a guy like Floyd & Cotto is that Floyd is a boxer anyway so it doesnt matter that much. He's use to being the small guy and he knows what he has to do to neturalize that no matter how big his opponent is because he's done it his whole life. Cotto on the other hand is use to being the bigger guy. He also is a straight forward power fighter who depends on being the stronger guy and being able to overwhelm you. If he cant just physically beat these guys down then is he the same fighter? He is a solid boxer but does he have the overall speed & boxing skill to handle these guys if they are overpowering him? One thing for sure is that it will be different then anything he's ever had to do in his career. He has more overall skills then Tito but it still might not be enough. The thing is that the WW division is so good that Cotto could be a real stud and still lose. It doesnt mean you suck. These guys are just really good and big. If he loses to a Floyd, Mosley, Clottey, or Margarito, does that mean you are garbage? I dont think so. The fact is that all these guys are good and someone has to lose.
Here's thread #2 http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=197321
The 2nd thread is a link to my prediction before the fight but no one read it. I think I was pretty close on what could happened. You can also just go straight to the bottom of the page and just read the 2nd thread if you want. There not as long as the look so check them out:
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#1 06-17-2007, 01:10 PM
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The people who criticized him at 140 would all say mostly the same thing. He's winning because he's flat out too big for these guys and he would have trouble at 147. He's already shown a suspect chin at 140 and it will be worst at 147.
Now he's at 147 and guys are sweating him but its still the same exact thing. So far he has only beaten Zab, Quintana, & Urkal. Those guys are all basically 3 140 pounders. Quintana is the only one who has been at 147 but he's not a big guy. Cotto still is just physically beating up on smaller guys.
Im telling you that if he gets into the ring with Margarito, Clottey, Baldy, Cintron, or Mosley then he's going to be in for a shock. He will not just physically overpwer those guys and you could argure that there all stronger then him. All those guys are huge & tough. I really think people should still wait to jump on that Cotto bandwagon. People also said Floyd hasnt faced a real WW but he changed all that by beating Oscar at 154. In his next fight Cotto will finally face a guy who he isnt flat out much bigger or stronger then. It will be a shock to his system.
I cant believe everyone thinks he will beat Margarito now. Imagine going from guys like Zab & Urkal right to Margarito. Now your in with a nearly 6ft monster who also weighs like a Middleweight and hits like a truck. That is not going to be easy like people think. Cotto's **** wont hurt him at all and Margarito's shots should punish Cotto if youve followed his career. Cotto cant hurt these big guys like Clottey or these straight physical guys like Mosley who have crazy strength & power. Its a huge difference. Cotto is use to guys running from him but these guys will be coming right at him and even pushing him back alot of times. Its like Tito at 160. He looks impressive beating those guys who werent real Middleweights but then he ran up on Hopkins and looked like a boy against a man. Its just a totally different fight when you go up against someone like that. Thats what people have to understand.
Tyson physically whooped everyone but when he met his match physically, he couldnt win. He's use to hitting guys who run from him and he's use to hearing guys scream and cover up when he hits them. What happeneds when he hits those big guys and it doesnt effect them at all? What is he going to do when he hits them and they wont stop in there tracks? What will he do when he hits them and they walk right through his shots and come back with bombs and fast combos? Physically Cotto will be in for a shock and I wouldnt be surprised to see Margarito pull a Cintron on Cotto. Dont get me wrong, Williams may beat Margarito. I love Williams and I kind of want him to beat a ton of people but a Margarito-Cotto fight would be excellent. Cotto could stilll win but he will have to go through hell to do it and he may never be the same after it. I also think think Clottey woulld killl him.
The bottom line is that Cotto still hasnt faced a real WW and still hasnt faced a fighter who is his equal or even greater in terms of physicality and I want to see how he deals with that part. The difference between a guy like Floyd & Cotto is that Floyd is a boxer anyway so it doesnt matter that much. He's use to being the small guy and he knows what he has to do to neturalize that no matter how big his opponent is because he's done it his whole life. Cotto on the other hand is use to being the bigger guy. He also is a straight forward power fighter who depends on being the stronger guy and being able to overwhelm you. If he cant just physically beat these guys down then is he the same fighter? He is a solid boxer but does he have the overall speed & boxing skill to handle these guys if they are overpowering him? One thing for sure is that it will be different then anything he's ever had to do in his career. He has more overall skills then Tito but it still might not be enough. The thing is that the WW division is so good that Cotto could be a real stud and still lose. It doesnt mean you suck. These guys are just really good and big. If he loses to a Floyd, Mosley, Clottey, or Margarito, does that mean you are garbage? I dont think so. The fact is that all these guys are good and someone has to lose.
Here's thread #2 http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=197321
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