And yall ignored us when we brought up cotto looking winded against Mosley

[El Jesus]

He wasnt adjusting for the sake of it, he was ****ing exhausted and using the ring to skillfully avoid any unessecary punishment. I knew it would be a factor in this fight, i also knew if by round 4 if margarito wasnt respecting cottos body/power shots, it would be over late, the thing is cotto never hit him in the body really which shocked me, his specialty was never excecuted but i can see why, everytime cotto slowed down, even though he would come out getting the better of the exchanged, he clearly wasnt that comfortable not being the bigger guy for once. Cotto is usually the one stalking and walking you down, but it was a taste of his own medicine.

I am not hating on cotto, he gave it his all, hes an all around good fighter, but Margaritos style is a nightmare because Cotto couldnt hurt him, and cotto seemed like a guy to me that had to intimidate/hurt/punish a fighter to win, granted the mosley fight was a great test, mosley unfortunately looked really sloppy that fight and headhunted but thats on him, in the other fights, Cotto outboxing a brawler just didint seem in the cards against margarito. Cotto gave it all he had.

[El Jesus]

yall know its true.

[T-97]

I didn't, I actually said that I thought Margaritos best chance of a TKO was late on as Cotto faded in that fight.

I still expected Cotto to win though, I ain't denying it.

[the_godslayer]

me either dude, check my bets thread I was fairly certain Tony would be able to take Cotto's punches and nothing like as certain Cotto could take Tonys, that lead me to pick Tony as it was inevitable he would just keep going forward. I had a feeling my points were safe at the end of the 2nd when Tony went back smiling to his corner and I knew full well I was not losing them after round 7.

[Ray*]

Yeah alot of people were in denial, Saying Cotto box beautifully towards the end of the Mosley fight when in fact he was exhausted.

[oldgringo]

He wasnt adjusting for the sake of it, he was ****ing exhausted and using the ring to skillfully avoid any unessecary punishment. I knew it would be a factor in this fight, i also knew if by round 4 if margarito wasnt respecting cottos body/power shots, it would be over late, the thing is cotto never hit him in the body really which shocked me, his specialty was never excecuted but i can see why, everytime cotto slowed down, even though he would come out getting the better of the exchanged, he clearly wasnt that comfortable not being the bigger guy for once. Cotto is usually the one stalking and walking you down, but it was a taste of his own medicine.

I am not hating on cotto, he gave it his all, hes an all around good fighter, but Margaritos style is a nightmare because Cotto couldnt hurt him, and cotto seemed like a guy to me that had to intimidate/hurt/punish a fighter to win, granted the mosley fight was a great test, mosley unfortunately looked really sloppy that fight and headhunted but thats on him, in the other fights, Cotto outboxing a brawler just didint seem in the cards against margarito. Cotto gave it all he had.

It's not like Cotto saw that he couldn't hurt Margarito and folded or anything. He fought a bigger, stronger guy and continued to fight him all night until he couldn't anymore. I don't think it's even a case of Cotto collapsing mentally because he saw that his power punching was no good. He boxed beautifully for the majority of the fight, but it's not in his makeup to stay away and avoid contact for 12 rounds.

The stamina (as you say) came into play because Cotto was moving a lot more than normal and was constantly having to fight Margarito off. I can only really see Mayweather having the discipline and defense to neutralize the constant pressure Margarito was bringing (which was more intense than in any previous fight I have seen from him sans Cintron II). Cotto isn't that type of fighter and he doesn't bring the defense necessary to avoid shots on the ropes. He defended himself well for the majority of the fight, it just caught up with him.

That was a hell of a fight though, and Margarito gave the performance of a lifetime. I mean he walked through a constant barrage of punches from a hard puncher. One of the best displays of durability I have seen in my life.

[loui_ludwig]

So is it more of Marg's pressure or Cotto after the 6th rounds, his conditioning is not good? Or both.

[El Jesus]

It's not like Cotto saw that he couldn't hurt Margarito and folded or anything. He fought a bigger, stronger guy and continued to fight him all night until he couldn't anymore. I don't think it's even a case of Cotto collapsing mentally because he saw that his power punching was no good. He boxed beautifully for the majority of the fight, but it's not in his makeup to stay away and avoid contact for 12 rounds.

The stamina (as you say) came into play because Cotto was moving a lot more than normal and was constantly having to fight Margarito off. I can only really see Mayweather having the discipline and defense to neutralize the constant pressure Margarito was bringing (which was more intense than in any previous fight I have seen from him sans Cintron II). Cotto isn't that type of fighter and he doesn't bring the defense necessary to avoid shots on the ropes. He defended himself well for the majority of the fight, it just caught up with him.

That was a hell of a fight though, and Margarito gave the performance of a lifetime. I mean he walked through a constant barrage of punches from a hard puncher. One of the best displays of durability I have seen in my life.

I dont mean to imply cotto got broken mentally, but what i am saying in alot of his fights, the guy he was fighting respected his power thus more or less backed off of him at some point. In all of his victories he was dishing out punishment to guys who either looked to survive at some point or get knocked the **** out, but with margarito that didint happen, and what you said about him just having nothing left is true, but no, i dont think cotto folded mentally because he was never looking for a way out of the fight, he was just taking a beating.

[oldgringo]

I dont mean to imply cotto got broken mentally, but what i am saying in alot of his fights, the guy he was fighting respected his power thus more or less backed off of him at some point. In all of his victories he was dishing out punishment to guys who either looked to survive at some point or get knocked the **** out, but with margarito that didint happen, and what you said about him just having nothing left is true, but no, i dont think cotto folded mentally because he was never looking for a way out of the fight, he was just taking a beating.

Absolutely. It was just totally a case of Margarito being able to walk through the fire, where Cotto's other opponents really couldn't.

Even Mosley had to back off after awhile (6th round maybe) because he was taking way too many shots. We all know Mosley is about as durable as it gets, but Margarito is just on another level.

Cotto hit him with everything he had. I think people are over dramatizing this lack of body punching too. Cotto hit him with some good hooks to the body, but as we all know, when you target the body you leave the head (more) open. Very difficult to sustain a sound body attack against a taller, windmilling puncher like Margarito. Margs did a pretty good job of shielding himself from that too, hence all of the head shots Cotto landed.

[El Jesus]

So is it more of Marg's pressure or Cotto after the 6th rounds, his conditioning is not good? Or both.

I think Cotto had to be prepared to move around for 12 rounds, and i think he thought he might have the power to make margarito respect him but marg never backed off, i think cottos conditioning is as good as any fighter who trades power shots for 12 straight rounds, but he was in there with a guy who was going to go toe to toe with him and not back down.