Having a few losses is looked down up to harshly...

[MELLY-MEL...]

This is a great thread and I could not agree more. For mine, people who place a massive amount of stock in being undefeated do not know a great deal about boxing.

good post.

[Avenue]

Being Undefeated Champion >>>

2 or 3 loses is igh but 6 Loses? is a no go

[My Name Is...]

Thats the way that I feel about Cintron. HE is OK. He could really be a good contender for anyone in the WW division. He will give P Will a hard fight. Cotto a hard fight. He gave Margs a hard fight. He will beat Berto, Quintana, Collazo, Forbes. He just happened to run into Marghs, and come in the WW division at a hard time. Cintron isnt that bad.

[MELLY-MEL...]

Thats the way that I feel about Cintron. HE is OK. He could really be a good contender for anyone in the WW division. He will give P Will a hard fight. Cotto a hard fight. He gave Margs a hard fight. He will beat Berto, Quintana, Collazo, Forbes. He just happened to run into Marghs, and come in the WW division at a hard time. Cintron isnt that bad.

biggest thing with kermit is he is a mental midget.

[S.G.]

yeah, i agree with you to some degree

but on the other hand, if you aim to be considered an elite fighter, a fighter right at the top of the sport, you can't have been bested by too many people, at least not without avenging your losses... and the vast majority of the fighters we spend our time discussing on here are elite fighters, or border-line elite fighters... you should be judged accordingly depending on your status and skill-set

[My Name Is...]

biggest thing with kermit is he is a mental midget.

he is, but I have wanted to cry when I fouled out of one of our biggest basketball games and was out the whole 4th quarter. I was a big part of the team, and stretched the court out because I would knock down threes like a mother. I wanted to cry when we lost football games that had a lot of meaning. It's not that he is a mental midget, it is that he just wants it so bad and loses. Then he showed his true colors by being a champ and fighting Margs again, when he didnt have to. I feel him, because uit sucks when you bust your ass and try your hardest and it isnt good enough. You want it so bad, but your best just wasnt good enough. That **** hurts. I never lost in the ring, but there were times when I didnt listen to my dad and corner and took more hits than I should have. I still won, but it ****** because I didnt show my best when I worked so ****ing hard. I would want to cry, because all I wanted to do was win, and I did, but not as easy as I should have. All I wanted to do was be my best, and fight at my best, but sometimes I left the ring feeling I should have did better. I knew that it wasnt my best. So I can imagine how it feels to lose and know that you could have and should have done better, but didnt.

[nelsoncm]

yeah, i agree with you to some degree

but on the other hand, if you aim to be considered an elite fighter, a fighter right at the top of the sport, you can't have been bested by too many people, at least not without avenging your losses... and the vast majority of the fighters we spend our time discussing on here are elite fighters, or border-line elite fighters... you should be judged accordingly depending on your status and skill-set

I disagree to a certain extent.

Pacquiao is deemed unworthy by some just because he lost early in his career. He didn't have the privilege of a great trainer and was basically fighting out of sheer violence. He was a kid.

That 0 is worthless without a great challenge. Sven Ottke, eat your heart out.

[Check]

I really hate how people hold losses so high in regard, its part of the reason I think fighters duck each other. To me boxing has always been about who you beat and not your record.

[KabukiJoe]

i mean yeah having, and keeping an 0 is great, and ideal, but it is not the be all, and end of a great fighters mark. i just feel that so many great fighters who may have losses against other gr8 fighters is ok, and really does not make them any lower all time, or any less great imo! do you fellas feel that having a few losses, or no losses is a big deal in the overall picture, or not? especially if the losses came either early on or to other great fighter in close fights.

...LOLOL...not in this country, they are working hard in our schools to take out the adjectives "winners" and "loosers"...I mean, there's no need for a winner or looser when everyone is equal...


Kabuki Joe

[MELLY-MEL...]

he is, but I have wanted to cry when I fouled out of one of our biggest basketball games and was out the whole 4th quarter. I was a big part of the team, and stretched the court out because I would knock down threes like a mother. I wanted to cry when we lost football games that had a lot of meaning. It's not that he is a mental midget, it is that he just wants it so bad and loses. Then he showed his true colors by being a champ and fighting Margs again, when he didnt have to. I feel him, because uit sucks when you bust your ass and try your hardest and it isnt good enough. You want it so bad, but your best just wasnt good enough. That **** hurts. I never lost in the ring, but there were times when I didnt listen to my dad and corner and took more hits than I should have. I still won, but it ****** because I didnt show my best when I worked so ****ing hard. I would want to cry, because all I wanted to do was win, and I did, but not as easy as I should have. All I wanted to do was be my best, and fight at my best, but sometimes I left the ring feeling I should have did better. I knew that it wasnt my best. So I can imagine how it feels to lose and know that you could have and should have done better, but didnt.

agreed my brother.