PBF: Boxing and Money

[MaFu MoFo]

I discussed this topic partially on another thread. I believe it deserves a thread of its own. Whomever doesn't respect the career of GREAT ONES like Hagler, Hearns, Sugar Ray, Benitez, and Duran... don't know boxing. It's hard to put PBF in THAT LEVEL when he retires without facing the best challenge available. PBF made the most money (duh!), but if there is a sport where money doesn't get you the respect FROM EVERYONE, IT's BOXING.

In other sports, athletes get paid because they showed superior skills and prove it day in and day out. For example, take A-Rod, Kobe, BeckHam. They get the money cause they bring it to the game and accomplish things others can't by showing they are the best in what they do. PBF career is AMAZING, but in BOXING it is more about who you FOUGHT and BEATED. PBF ****ed up his resume and LEGACY with his last 3 fights.

Worst of all, it's the fact on how PBF is the first one to admit it; "It's all about the Benjamins". It's normal to like a great boxer like Floyd Mayweather, but true boxing fans, writers and experts are TOTALLY RIGHT about critizing PBF choices in the last couple of years. I don't believe true boxing fans hate PBF, it's more like he has disappointed us with the lack of true challenges. Like I said many time before, I am a fan of PBF, but my respect for him has diminished over the last 2 years. Anyone cares to add more to this topic???

[MANGLER]

Guy's damn good, but not nearly as good as he thinks. Could be a great one, but refuses to face his toughest challengers. Still respected as a fighter, but not as much as he could be or was before since he won't fight the toughest comp. While he's retired, let him count his $ and let's concentrate on the good **** that's happenin in boxing cuz the sport's perfectly fine without him.

[the_godslayer]

What I admire about PBF apart from his obvious skills in the ring is the fact that he is one of the few fighters who try to bring a sense of showmanship into the sport. When i think back to the press conference for the Hagler Hearns fight it was pure melodrama and it sold tickets. Floyd brings that in spades BUT his arrogance and the facts mentioned by the thread starter about him not facing the most challenging fights detract from his legacy in a massive way.
IMO he is seriously rich enough now that it should be about proving to himself that he is the best fighter walking the planet today. He would still be one of the biggest draws in boxing history no matter who he fights so why not actually test himself against his toughest challengers. But hey, he is the one who has to go to sleep at night knowing that the majority of well informed boxing fans DONT class himas having done this and he has to live with that lack of respect. Dont think i could do that myself, If i were claiming to be the man, i'd want to know i beat them all.

[MaFu MoFo]

What I admire about PBF apart from his obvious skills in the ring is the fact that he is one of the few fighters who try to bring a sense of showmanship into the sport. When i think back to the press conference for the Hagler Hearns fight it was pure melodrama and it sold tickets. Floyd brings that in spades BUT his arrogance and the facts mentioned by the thread starter about him not facing the most challenging fights detract from his legacy in a massive way.
IMO he is seriously rich enough now that it should be about proving to himself that he is the best fighter walking the planet today. He would still be one of the biggest draws in boxing history no matter who he fights so why not actually test himself against his toughest challengers. But hey, he is the one who has to go to sleep at night knowing that the majority of well informed boxing fans DONT class himas having done this and he has to live with that lack of respect. Dont think i could do that myself, If i were claiming to be the man, i'd want to know i beat them all.

Good post. That's what I mean. Everyone knows he is the best boxing athlete, so go and prove you are the GREATEST EVER, LIKE HE CLAIMS. It should not be a problem for him to show us he can unify and sweep the welterweight division. If he ever decides to do so and even if he fails to do it, the RESPECT FROM EVERYONE WILL BE THERE AND HE WILL BECOME A LEGEND. But just like Barry Bonds, it seems that he can sleep well at night having a big ass asterik on his record.

[the_godslayer]

Good post. That's what I mean. Everyone knows he is the best boxing athlete, so go and prove you are the GREATEST EVER, LIKE HE CLAIMS. It should not be a problem for him to show us he can unify and sweep the welterweight division. If he ever decides to do so and even if he fails to do it, the RESPECT FROM EVERYONE WILL BE THERE AND HE WILL BECOME A LEGEND. But just like Barry Bonds, it seems that he can sleep well at night having a big ass asterik on his record.

That statement is the key for me, he gets more respect for at least stepping up to the plate, if he fails trying so be it, at least he tried and that effort, coupled with his undoubted skills would IMO make him the legend he appears to think he already is.

[MaFu MoFo]

You are right, he made enough money to secure his future and the future of his family. Why can he just put on the gloves again and take the greater challenge for his own good and legacy???

Maybe he needed a rest and time to get some motivation after spending so much time in the boxing world. I am one that will love to see PBF back and fighting Cotto, or another good challenge like Paul Williams. I will respect him if he does lose or win.

BTW, if it happens and he loses, I hope his nuthugging fans don't start posting about "the inactivity excuse" like some used when Cotto beated Judah.

[Horus]

Take this into consideration.

From a Legacy and Business Stand Point..

How does Margarito Enhance Floyd Status even Higher than what it is now?
How does Paul Williams Enhance Floyd Status even Higher what it is now?
How Does Miguel Cotto Enhance Floyd Status even Higher what it is now?

All those Fighters are "Small Frye's" compared to Mayweather

Floyd is already Greatest of His Generation

What is the point of fighting Non-Status Enhancing Fights, If they dont bring you A Lucrative Payday or If he cant become the greatest fighter ever fighting these guys...??

He was already recognized as the P4P BEST since 2005
He was already recognized as the undisputed Lineal Champion
He was and still is already recognized around the world the best boxer alive.
He was already accomplish what no other fighter in history has never done

The only thing he has left to accomplish is to be call the The Greatest of All Time

Your Comment About him not fighting "true challengers" is completely ignorant.

Kevin Idle said it best:

1. Victories over 13 current, former or future world champions – Mayweather is frequently criticized for the level of his opposition, but he fought 13 men who were either champions at the time he fought them, were a world champion in the past or would go on to win a belt. And by saying world champion, I’m only referencing the IBF, WBA, WBC and WBO title belts. His victories were over, chronologically, Genaro Hernandez, Goyo Vargas, Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo (back-to-back), DeMarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton.

2.Total domination – In his last six fights, Mayweather was amazingly dominant. There were a combined 168 scored rounds in those bouts, of which Mayweather won 141, meaning he won 83.9 percent of the rounds against men who were current or former champions. If you add in for the three rounds scored by three judges in his three knockouts, that goes up to 84.7 percent.


HE IS THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF HIS GENERATION. You can not accomplish more than that while reminding active.! Thats the point.

No one fight can make him the greatest of all time
No one fight can make he better than SRR,SRL,Hearns,Hagler,Ali, etc.
No one fight can change history.!

Fighters are Judge on their entire Career, and how they dominated the generation they fought in.

Floyd dominated his generation.

No matter how much you Mainstream Hardcore Fans like to think.
Beating Miguel Cotto will not overnight change history.

Miguel Cotto is not a great fighter...!
He is on the cusp of greatness.., and that is a huge difference.

Floyd has only one thing left to accomplish in his career that is not cemented already. and that is to be called "The greatest Fighter ever"

He is already an All Time great
He is already first ballot hall of famer
He is already Greatest of his generation
He is already the only person in history to Claim 5 weight divisions and capture 6 titles while staying undefeated.

He has already left his mark on boxing..!

The only thing left is to be called the greatest fighter ever...

If he cant accomplish the status of Greatest Fighter Ever Fighting Guys Like Margarito at this point of his career, or Make 20-30 million like he did against Hatton.. Why fight these guys, if they dont Enhance his legacy past what it already is...

It is obvious people will never give him that status so why continue fighting for something he already has... And that is the recognition as the best boxer alive and P4P best....



Oscar Fought Floyd to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday
SRL fought Hagler to Enhance his legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday
Ricky Hatton fought to Floyd to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday
Oscar fought Tito to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday
SRL fought Hearns to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday

So if Floyd fought Cotto, It would Enhance His legecy to what...?

"Greatest of His Generation"....?
-Guess What?

He already is


So why should Floyd listen to guys like Margarito,Williams,Cotto calling him out, if they dont Enhance his Legacy And Get him Lucrative Payday ..?

Like Floyd did for Oscar

[MaFu MoFo]

horus, Let Me Put It This Way... Not Everyone Respects Floyd Mayweather like The Other Great Ones You Mentioned Are Respected. that Is A Fact that No Matter How Nicely Written You Try To Diminish It, can't Be Ignored.

As A Baseball Fan , I Could Write About Every Little Stat That Makes Barry Bonds One Of The Greatest Of His Generation, But No Matter What, He Will Have an Asterik On His Record. The Same Thing Goes With Floyd Mayweather. he Will Go To The Hall Of Fame And Be Remebered With A Big Ass Asterisk On His Resume. I Am Not The Only One Who Feels That Way..., Many Fans, Boxers And Boxing Experts And Writers Feel The Same Way.


(or Is It That You Believe That "horus" Will Make Mafu Mofo And The Rest Of The World Change Their Minds Cause You Said So. Go Ahead And Keep Jerking Off Out Of Pbf Videos Highlights... If You Can't Accpet The Reality That Surrounds The Boxing World, You Are Just Another Viva Mexico On Nsb...)

[OTSS]

Take this into consideration.

From a Legacy and Business Stand Point..

How does Margarito Enhance Floyd Status even Higher than what it is now?
How does Paul Williams Enhance Floyd Status even Higher what it is now?
How Does Miguel Cotto Enhance Floyd Status even Higher what it is now?

All those Fighters are "Small Frye's" compared to Mayweather

Floyd is already Greatest of His Generation

What is the point of fighting Non-Status Enhancing Fights, If they dont bring you A Lucrative Payday or If he cant become the greatest fighter ever fighting these guys...??

He was already recognized as the P4P BEST since 2005
He was already recognized as the undisputed Lineal Champion
He was and still is already recognized around the world the best boxer alive.
He was already accomplish what no other fighter in history has never done

The only thing he has left to accomplish is to be call the The Greatest of All Time

Your Comment About him not fighting "true challengers" is completely ignorant.

Kevin Idle said it best:

1. Victories over 13 current, former or future world champions – Mayweather is frequently criticized for the level of his opposition, but he fought 13 men who were either champions at the time he fought them, were a world champion in the past or would go on to win a belt. And by saying world champion, I’m only referencing the IBF, WBA, WBC and WBO title belts. His victories were over, chronologically, Genaro Hernandez, Goyo Vargas, Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo (back-to-back), DeMarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton.

2.Total domination – In his last six fights, Mayweather was amazingly dominant. There were a combined 168 scored rounds in those bouts, of which Mayweather won 141, meaning he won 83.9 percent of the rounds against men who were current or former champions. If you add in for the three rounds scored by three judges in his three knockouts, that goes up to 84.7 percent.


HE IS THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF HIS GENERATION. You can not accomplish more than that while reminding active.! Thats the point.

No one fight can make him the greatest of all time
No one fight can make he better than SRR,SRL,Hearns,Hagler,Ali, etc.
No one fight can change history.!

Fighters are Judge on their entire Career, and how they dominated the generation they fought in.

Floyd dominated his generation.

No matter how much you Mainstream Hardcore Fans like to think.
Beating Miguel Cotto will not overnight change history.

Miguel Cotto is not a great fighter...!
He is on the cusp of greatness.., and that is a huge difference.

Floyd has only one thing left to accomplish in his career that is not cemented already. and that is to be called "The greatest Fighter ever"

He is already an All Time great
He is already first ballot hall of famer
He is already Greatest of his generation
He is already the only person in history to Claim 5 weight divisions and capture 6 titles while staying undefeated.

He has already left his mark on boxing..!

The only thing left is to be called the greatest fighter ever...

If he cant accomplish the status of Greatest Fighter Ever Fighting Guys Like Margarito at this point of his career, or Make 20-30 million like he did against Hatton.. Why fight these guys, if they dont Enhance his legacy past what it already is...

It is obvious people will never give him that status so why continue fighting for something he already has... And that is the recognition as the best boxer alive and P4P best....



Oscar Fought Floyd to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday
SRL fought Hagler to Enhance his legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday
Ricky Hatton fought to Floyd to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday
Oscar fought Tito to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday
SRL fought Hearns to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday

So if Floyd fought Cotto, It would Enhance His legecy to what...?

"Greatest of His Generation"....?
-Guess What?

He already is


So why should Floyd listen to guys like Margarito,Williams,Cotto calling him out, if they dont Enhance his Legacy And Get him Lucrative Payday ..?

Like Floyd did for Oscar

Damn b, you in love huh?

[MaFu MoFo]

Damn b, you in love huh?

NAh... he just need to copy and paste it. He has posted the same **** over and over and over. He is one those people on NSB who is believe to be on some kind of PBF payroll.

He is a lersion of VIVA, but not ******ed. HORUS writes with sense, but is too narrowminded in order to appreciate the opinion of others and respect the validity of an argument that is not in line with whatever PBF claims to have done or to be.