Toney vs. Rahman II. Youtube. Butt deliberate?

[BattlingNelson]

I'm glad we've got youtube. For those of us who hasn't seen the controversial ending of Toney vs. Rahman II it's here:

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Here's the post fight analysis including "Dr." Chris Byrd and a James Toney who definetely slurs:

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I thought the butt looked a bit deliberate.

As for Rahman claiming he couldn't see well when Brian Nielsen fought Mike Tyson, Nielsen claimed he had double vision and I believe him for sure. He was tough. So it's a definete possibility that Rahman couldn't see.

For me Rahman deserves another fight with Toney.

[5burowz]

I'm glad we've got youtube. For those of us who hasn't seen the controversial ending of Toney vs. Rahman II it's here:

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Here's the post fight analysis including "Dr." Chris Byrd and a James Toney who definetely slurs:

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I thought the butt looked a bit deliberate.

As for Rahman claiming he couldn't see well when Brian Nielsen fought Mike Tyson, Nielsen claimed he had double vision and I believe him for sure. He was tough. So it's a definete possibility that Rahman couldn't see.

For me Rahman deserves another fight with Toney.

If you thought that butt was deliberate, you're blind.

[BattlingNelson]

If you thought that butt was deliberate, you're blind.

You could make a case for it being deliberate. Toney raises his head full speed with the side towards Rahman. Toney is a smart fighter so he must at least have known that there would be a good chance of his head hitting Rahman.

[cuzfozzy]

this is boxing. its up to rahman to protect himself. what about his fight with holyfield ? if the same fighter gets cut all the time, there's something
wrong with the fighter (defense). chris byrd should stick to being
knocked out by light heavyweights.

[My Name Is...]

**** Rahman. He is a ****in waist. He could have went on. Fighters like Gatti would laugh at this ecxcuse ridden HW.

[Guest]

Toney was starting to put it on him and Rahman had no answer but to quit.
Toney beats him again in a rematch.

Rahman's been fading for a while now.

[5burowz]

The only interesting fight at heavy right now is Haye-Toney. That would be an interesting matchup.

[cuzfozzy]

if toney keeps fighting like he did he can become champion. what convinced
'the rock' to quit ? - toneys handspeed. this is the best toney has looked
at heavyweight. toney was ripping him to the body. rahman had no answer
to the handspeed, and with the small cut he got scared. toney even
landed a shot that had rahman lose his legs for a moment. this is the
way toney should fight at heavyweight as he has said he would.
not come in too heavy, use the edge in handspeed. speed kills you know ? lol
manny steward can have a gameplan for wlad but once toney takes him
to deep water manny can't do anything, toney's bag of tricks is too big. wlad
can't think in the ring, that will be his downfall ... the only way toney
loses is if he comes in out of shape (he beats himself)

toney vs haye ? - that would be a fifth round knockout by toney.
toney was a great fighter before he even went to heavyweight
and at heavyweight he has faced old champions (holyfield), rahman
as well as modern day ones (sam peter) ...

he deserves a shot before haye. someone said the wlad vs haye thing
was staged, quite possibly since wlad is now showing signs he
wants to face haye ...

maybe Toney should go after Haye to close all doors for the Klitschkos
to face anyone else. Haye is way too wild for a Toney. why didn't rahman
throw any bombs at toney like he did with other fighters he's faced
because he knew that toney would checkmate him

[BattlingNelson]

if toney keeps fighting like he did he can become champion. what convinced
'the rock' to quit ? - toneys handspeed. this is the best toney has looked
at heavyweight. toney was ripping him to the body. rahman had no answer
to the handspeed, and with the small cut he got scared. toney even
landed a shot that had rahman lose his legs for a moment. this is the
way toney should fight at heavyweight as he has said he would.
not come in too heavy, use the edge in handspeed. speed kills you know ? lol
manny steward can have a gameplan for wlad but once toney takes him
to deep water manny can't do anything, toney's bag of tricks is too big. wlad
can't think in the ring, that will be his downfall ... the only way toney
loses is if he comes in out of shape (he beats himself)

toney vs haye ? - that would be a fifth round knockout by toney.
toney was a great fighter before he even went to heavyweight
and at heavyweight he has faced old champions (holyfield), rahman
as well as modern day ones (sam peter) ...

he deserves a shot before haye. someone said the wlad vs haye thing
was staged, quite possibly since wlad is now showing signs he
wants to face haye ...

maybe Toney should go after Haye to close all doors for the Klitschkos
to face anyone else. Haye is way too wild for a Toney. why didn't rahman
throw any bombs at toney like he did with other fighters he's faced
because he knew that toney would checkmate him

Toney's got no chance against Wlad. Wlad would kill him with the jab and knock him out inside 6 rounds IMO.

[Scott9945]

if toney keeps fighting like he did he can become champion. what convinced
'the rock' to quit ? - toneys handspeed. this is the best toney has looked
at heavyweight. toney was ripping him to the body. rahman had no answer
to the handspeed, and with the small cut he got scared. toney even
landed a shot that had rahman lose his legs for a moment. this is the
way toney should fight at heavyweight as he has said he would.
not come in too heavy, use the edge in handspeed. speed kills you know ? lol
manny steward can have a gameplan for wlad but once toney takes him
to deep water manny can't do anything, toney's bag of tricks is too big. wlad
can't think in the ring, that will be his downfall ... the only way toney
loses is if he comes in out of shape (he beats himself)

toney vs haye ? - that would be a fifth round knockout by toney.
toney was a great fighter before he even went to heavyweight
and at heavyweight he has faced old champions (holyfield), rahman
as well as modern day ones (sam peter) ...

he deserves a shot before haye. someone said the wlad vs haye thing
was staged, quite possibly since wlad is now showing signs he
wants to face haye ...

maybe Toney should go after Haye to close all doors for the Klitschkos
to face anyone else. Haye is way too wild for a Toney. why didn't rahman
throw any bombs at toney like he did with other fighters he's faced
because he knew that toney would checkmate him

You were that impressed by Toney? Why, because he won one or two rounds and butted his opponent's head open? Haye would beat him and Wladimir would obliterate him. The Rahman fight proved nothing.